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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 18:37:41 GMT -8
The photos earlier in the thread look like Birch to me, but I may be wrong. A close-up or two would be nice. I do have a process to create the milky look - not with shellac however. Let me know if you'd like me to send a PM on what I use. I don't want to hijack this thread.
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Post by nccamper on Feb 4, 2018 19:06:18 GMT -8
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Post by ladywendolyn on Feb 4, 2018 23:36:02 GMT -8
I'm away on holidays for a bit, but I will take some photos close up when I get home. I don't seem to have any that close. From what I can see, my trailer wood is birch. After hearing your comments, it is looking like I will need to sand it right down and use the amber shellac from scratch. I have one more exterior repair to do and then I am starting the inside, so I have been thinking about this lately. I want to get the wood finished before I lay the new floor.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Feb 4, 2018 23:37:20 GMT -8
I think I need to do that. If you don't mind my asking... What grit did you use? Did you work down to a finer grit or just stay the same throughout?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 0:09:47 GMT -8
I agree they do look like birch. "Pickling" was common some time ago to give lighter woods a white hue and that might be what you have. Some folks are liking that again and I found a process that seems to work really well. I made a few oak quilt hangers recently that were stained with 1 part white latex primer mixed with 4 parts water. The water content can be varied to give you the tone you want. Then topcoat with a high quality clear poly, which should also be water based to avoid "yellowing" that you can get with oil based varnishes.
I haven't used it on birch yet, but will try it when I restore my Detroiter. The photo below shows that more "blonde" kind of look. I'm not sure if this is what you have going on.
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Post by mel on Feb 5, 2018 4:17:57 GMT -8
I heard that Sherman Williams will match any stain. Might be worth a short to bring a door to them and see if they Really can or not.
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Post by nccamper on Feb 5, 2018 6:44:26 GMT -8
I heard that Sherman Williams will match any stain. Might be worth a short to bring a door to them and see if they Really can or not. I tried Shewin William with no luck. Maybe a different SW would do a better job with the match. ------- LW, I started with a heavy grit (80) on a palm sander just until the surface layer was off followed by 120' then 220. Keep the pressure gentle until down to 220. A respirator is a must. Who knows what was in that milky finish.
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 5, 2018 6:47:40 GMT -8
I heard that Sherman Williams will match any stain. Might be worth a short to bring a door to them and see if they Really can or not. HA! I went to them all. I had every professional known to man kind try to match this white milky stuff. I even ordered tint and tried it myself. Nothing worked. I spent over 3 years trying to match this stuff. Shellac is not a stain. Shellac is clear until tinted. And the only tinted shellac sold on the market today is amber. The secret to this white milky stuff died with the manufacturers long ago.... This topic was "milked" to death on this board some years ago. So we just use the scraper, then sand, and then cover it with amber shellac. And BW there is a huge difference in the grain between ash and birch.
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 5, 2018 9:28:11 GMT -8
I agree they do look like birch. "Pickling" was common some time ago to give lighter woods a white hue and that might be what you have. Some folks are liking that again and I found a process that seems to work really well. I made a few oak quilt hangers recently that were stained with 1 part white latex primer mixed with 4 parts water. The water content can be varied to give you the tone you want. Then topcoat with a high quality clear poly, which should also be water based to avoid "yellowing" that you can get with oil based varnishes.
I haven't used it on birch yet, but will try it when I restore my Detroiter. The photo below shows that more "blonde" kind of look. I'm not sure if this is what you have going on.
This photo is nothing like what we have been dealing with. Ash was used when birch became too short in supply or became too expensive at the time. Because of the deep grain of ash I think they were going for a lighter look. Amber Shellac makes the ash look much darker than Natural Birch. How they tinted the shellac though is beyond us at this point. On a side note, the reason I came up with oak to replace ash is you can't get ash in 1/8 inch thick panels and have not been able to get it for almost 10 years now due to the "Emerald Ash Borer Beetle"... This infestation caused the outlawing of transportation of the product for 8 years before it was lifted. In that time demand for the product diminished and now we are having a very hard time getting suppliers to carry it again. Thus the search for something close which I found with oak.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 13:03:08 GMT -8
I get ash in 1/4" plywood at Renneberg Hardwoods up here in St. Cloud. It's the 1/8" stuff that is difficult to find these days. I recall sending Shastatom a note that he can pick up 1/8" oak at Youngblood Lumber in Minneapolis for a substitute to ash in his newly acquired Shasta. Maybe Tom can chime in on if he's gone that route yet.
On a side note, I switched from Sherwin Williams to General Finishes products recently. I find the quality is higher, and I can get it from my cabinet hardware distributor instead of having s separate account with Sherwin Williams. I haven't had the need to color match anything in awhile, but the technical support staff with General Finishes is very good, so I expect they could help me out when the need arises.
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 5, 2018 13:43:57 GMT -8
I get ash in 1/4" plywood at Renneberg Hardwoods up here in St. Cloud. It's the 1/8" stuff that is difficult to find these days. I recall sending Shastatom a note that he can pick up 1/8" oak at Youngblood Lumber in Minneapolis for a substitute to ash in his newly acquired Shasta. Maybe Tom can chime in on if he's gone that route yet. On a side note, I switched from Sherwin Williams to General Finishes products recently. I find the quality is higher, and I can get it from my cabinet hardware distributor instead of having s separate account with Sherwin Williams. I haven't had the need to color match anything in awhile, but the technical support staff with General Finishes is very good, so I expect they could help me out when the need arises. I said 1/8 in ash did I not? And the ban was on transportation of the stuff. Not the making of it. The ban has been lifted but no one is carrying it now. Demand is gone because no one had it for 8 years straight. 1/4 inch will not bend so it is useless to most of us. I have a message for you but I'm going to send it in PM.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 15:48:13 GMT -8
I use the 1/4" ash for interior cabinetry and 1/8" oak when I need to bend. As you say, oak is a great substitute for ash. I'll pick up your message a bit later on this evening. I have a few in the queue to read through. Thanks!
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Post by shastatom on Feb 5, 2018 18:53:32 GMT -8
BW, haven't started looking for ash yet. I will start in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by danrhodes on Feb 12, 2018 9:23:09 GMT -8
Anyone try adding a touch of white enamel to their shellac to get the milky look?
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 12, 2018 9:30:46 GMT -8
Up close it's actually a bit yellow. But I tried some of the tints from the company who makes tints just for shellac. I think it was called Mixol or something like that. I have some of it out in the shop. It didn't even get close. But maybe it's worth trying what you are suggesting. I mean what could it hurt to do a test?
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