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Post by vikx on Feb 2, 2018 20:34:43 GMT -8
I agree. Do NOT use chemicals on shellac!!
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 2, 2018 20:47:51 GMT -8
I almost bought one of those but it didn't look like a complete tool for some reason LOL... Looked kinda nekid.
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Post by mel on Feb 3, 2018 4:36:51 GMT -8
Great to hear because I did find something online about how to get decals off wood I was planning on trying first, but it sounds like thats a bad idea. Scraper it is. And I have plenty of scratches from the bunk poles I need to deal with.
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Post by charliemyers on Feb 3, 2018 6:09:54 GMT -8
Dan’s scraper is great and widely used among woodworkers. The benefit is that you have great control of the depth of cut. The drawback is that you have great control of the depth of cut! It takes practice to learn how to control it. I often use a marriage of Dan’s a nd the other one that Larry posted. Something like this, but from the pre-war era when iron was heavy: Stanley scraper planeYou still have control of the cut, but the tool helps you with the adjustments. You still need to know how to remove the old burr and “sharpen” it by burnishing on a new burr.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 19:34:00 GMT -8
I use Dan's scrapers as well for finishing work (Bahco). It is a great tool for removing micro thin layers of sealer and finish like shellac, and then the wood itself to get a super smooth finish. The scrapings just sort of "fluff" off if you can visualize that. I don't use it on adhesive residues as I want to maintain a really clean edge.
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Post by vikx on Feb 3, 2018 20:47:08 GMT -8
I discovered a cool little trick not long ago. I was worried about keeping the lovely paneling in Butch and covering scratches. (yup, bunk poles) The lowest panel by the back bed was stained, so I used 1 coat of amber shellac. It darkened a very tiny bit but it's by the window and there are trim sticks, curtains, mattress etc, so a person can't tell.
Anyway, the ceiling was in great shape, including the vent area. As I was touching up the back, the brush became really dry. I reached up and swiped the ceiling. Scratch disappeared and no color change! Amazing. The brush has to be very dry. Shellac as normal and when the brush needs to be reloaded, swipe the scratches. Works great for original panels and cabinetry.
One other thing: if you have stains around screws or nails, deck cleaner will bleach the marks. They won't be completely gone but look a lot better. Sand the dark area until it's bare. Apply the deck cleaner and let dry, 2 or 3 applications. You'll know when it is light enough. Then a quick 220 sand on the whole piece, VERY lightly. Use one light coat of amber shellac and voila! pretty wood. This method will work on cabinets, door stiles, panels stains, etc. Keep in mind that some panel stains should not be bleached, but replaced if there's water damage.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Feb 4, 2018 13:07:29 GMT -8
I hope you don't mind me jumping in on this thread. I am going to be doing the same thing. A hopefully light sanding on my walls, and then add shellac on top. As long as it is shellac. With my trailer being Canadian, it may have a different finish. I think someone said to rub it with the denatured alcohol to see if it breaks down? is this correct mobiltec ? Also, my trailer's finish seems to have a "milkiness" to it, for lack of a better word. Has anyone seen this before? Could they have added something to the shellac to give this tone? I don't think it's amber in any way, could they have just used clear shellac? I am just a little concerned on how I will match the new panels to this? ![](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k62fR1I3Tmk/Vw5s3bww0EI/AAAAAAAAACI/OK2TdQVaQc4NZv08Tqu7ejK7xCi6zZVHwCLcB/s400/IMG_1045.JPG)
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 4, 2018 14:35:50 GMT -8
I hope you don't mind me jumping in on this thread. I am going to be doing the same thing. A hopefully light sanding on my walls, and then add shellac on top. As long as it is shellac. With my trailer being Canadian, it may have a different finish. I think someone said to rub it with the denatured alcohol to see if it breaks down? is this correct mobiltec ? Also, my trailer's finish seems to have a "milkiness" to it, for lack of a better word. Has anyone seen this before? Could they have added something to the shellac to give this tone? I don't think it's amber in any way, could they have just used clear shellac? I am just a little concerned on how I will match the new panels to this? ![](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k62fR1I3Tmk/Vw5s3bww0EI/AAAAAAAAACI/OK2TdQVaQc4NZv08Tqu7ejK7xCi6zZVHwCLcB/s400/IMG_1045.JPG) Yep that milkiness is a tint of some sort the best that we have been able to figure out. They used it a lot in the 60s. So far none of us has come up with a match for it. But it should be shellac. I would wipe down all the surfaces with denatured alcohol. You may not even have to sand. Then hit it with a clear coat of shellac. Maybe two coats.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Feb 4, 2018 17:57:34 GMT -8
So mobiltec if I am giving it some clear coats of shellac, what about the new panels? I am guessing that no one has been able to reproduce the milky effect? Does this mean I should use paint stripper on it and bring it down to the bare wood? The only other option I can think of is to pretreat the new panels with a slightly milky paint effect to try and match it and then shellac all of it. Any idea on how to best create a match in this case?
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Post by ladywendolyn on Feb 4, 2018 17:58:25 GMT -8
So mobiltec if I am giving it some clear coats of shellac, what about the new panels? I am guessing that no one has been able to reproduce the milky effect? Does this mean I should use paint stripper on all of the existing panels and bring it down to the bare wood to match the new ones? The only other option I can think of is to pretreat the new panels with a slightly milky paint effect to try and match it and then shellac all of it. Any idea on how to best create a match in this case?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 18:20:45 GMT -8
Hi ladywendolyn. Can you post a few close up photos of those "milky" looking panels?
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 4, 2018 18:24:55 GMT -8
So mobiltec if I am giving it some clear coats of shellac, what about the new panels? I am guessing that no one has been able to reproduce the milky effect? Does this mean I should use paint stripper on it and bring it down to the bare wood? The only other option I can think of is to pretreat the new panels with a slightly milky paint effect to try and match it and then shellac all of it. Any idea on how to best create a match in this case? That is what I have been doing. On my third ash project now and taking it all the way down to bare. Then going with light amber and clear over that... Never start putting clear on until you have all your panels matched with the amber... Get the match down and once you are happy, then start with the clear coats.
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 4, 2018 18:30:20 GMT -8
They only did the milky looking stuff with ash as near as I've seen. I've never seen it on birch or maple. Here's what ash looks like after sanding all the way down and then using two coats of amber and 3 coats of clear. The door you see is made from oak. You can't get ash anymore and oak as you can see is a great match for ash if you have to replace anything. ![http://www.cannedhamtrailers.com/forum/59kenskill/prog3-31-16.jpg](http://www.cannedhamtrailers.com/forum/59kenskill/prog3-31-16.jpg)
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 4, 2018 18:33:33 GMT -8
Here's what the ash with the milky stuff looks like. The cabinet door really shows it the best. ![http://www.cannedhamtrailers.com/forum/59shasta/prog4-9-142.jpg](http://www.cannedhamtrailers.com/forum/59shasta/prog4-9-142.jpg)
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