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Post by nccamper on Feb 8, 2017 20:28:47 GMT -8
This is it's own thread because it's very detail specific and really more for new painters like me. The pros painters among us may find this a little dull. -- I bought the Devilbiss Finishline 4 FLG-670 from amazon yesterday and tested it today. smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B007N69IRA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1I was told it was a good brand at the mid level. My cheaper gun was fine for oil enamel which is thicker. The weather was about 72 degrees and low humidity. Good painting weather. I used scrap Hemet Vally RV skin, taped it off as I would on the camper using Fineline tape (edges) and 3M painter’s tape to fill in larger areas away from the edge. Then I sanded the area to be painted with 320 grit wet being careful not to disturb the tape. The paint maker actually calls for 400 grit dry and 500 grit wet but the paint store suggested 320 on a newer gloss sub surface. I’m not sure which is right. I like the half inch better than the thin roll. I’m using a single stage urethane Omni paint by PPG. Basically I want to find out how the gun sprays, what the smallest tip (1.3mm) is like and how Hemet white skin allows new paint to adhere and tape to be removed. My goal is to peal the tape tomorrow once the paint dries. Paint spec sheet Air dry safe against dust in 45 minutes No longer tacky in 3-5 hours (depending on humidity) Tape can be removed after 12 hours You can recoat after 24 hours at 70 degrees below 50% humidity. The gun sprays well but the fan is smaller than the cheap gun. It will take some getting used to. I’ll let you know how things go tomorrow. (I guess this post is a little dull/technical. If people want me to isolate this on it's own thread I'll more than understand. If I start talking about different paint tips, blah, blah, blah I might put the experienced painters to sleep.)
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Post by mrmarty51 on Feb 8, 2017 21:29:31 GMT -8
You have a real nice gloss on what You did. Hurry up tomorrow. I want to see the tape removed.
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Post by roadtripper on Feb 9, 2017 7:33:42 GMT -8
Yea, I second mobiltec's thought on a thread for this. I have a couple questions. I have a few compressors for my carpentry, and one in my wood shop that is a 2hp (I think) and about 12 gal tank. I can't read the tag on it about output. This one was given to us used. Anyway, I 've been reading about low vol. and high vol sprayers. Your new one is high vol looks like. Seems to be arguments both ways. Which is best for novice painters and which would maybe get by with the compressors I have? Thanks for your input and posts---seems to have stirred up a lot of interest.
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Post by mrmarty51 on Feb 9, 2017 16:38:10 GMT -8
Yea, I second mobiltec's thought on a thread for this. I have a couple questions. I have a few compressors for my carpentry, and one in my wood shop that is a 2hp (I think) and about 12 gal tank. I can't read the tag on it about output. This one was given to us used. Anyway, I 've been reading about low vol. and high vol sprayers. Your new one is high vol looks like. Seems to be arguments both ways. Which is best for novice painters and which would maybe get by with the compressors I have? Thanks for your input and posts---seems to have stirred up a lot of interest. I looked at some of the specs. It says 13 cubic foot a minute at 23 psi. I do not know if that is the actual operating pressure for that gun. If so, I don't think it would take too much of a compressor to handle that. i might be wrong though. If You can see and read the labels on Your compressors that would be a big help. Even a brand and model number then do an innernet search. Devilbiss was once top of the line and possibly still might be.
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Post by nccamper on Feb 9, 2017 16:56:08 GMT -8
Yea, I second mobiltec's thought on a thread for this. I have a couple questions. I have a few compressors for my carpentry, and one in my wood shop that is a 2hp (I think) and about 12 gal tank. I can't read the tag on it about output. This one was given to us used. Anyway, I 've been reading about low vol. and high vol sprayers. Your new one is high vol looks like. Seems to be arguments both ways. Which is best for novice painters and which would maybe get by with the compressors I have? Thanks for your input and posts---seems to have stirred up a lot of interest. I like the HVLP gun. The pressure setting on the new gun is just 23 PSI. Some people say in warm weather you can run it even lower. It's not the Compressor horse power that slows you down it’s the tank. This is the compressor I used on the Shasta Compact. It does the job…barely. I had to stop and start so the pressure stayed consistent. This is the tank I used on our Shasta 1500. www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-30-Gal-155-psi-Ultra-Quiet-Portable-Electric-Air-Compressor-C302H/206695048A totally different experience. I basically sprayed without giving pressure a second thought. — Update on the experiment. The tape comes off perfectly and the new paint adheres really well using the Hemet skin as a primer/base coat. Next up, Saturday I will tape the new paint and spray a gray stripe (like a Shasta Z). I want to learn if it the new paint over Hemet white can handle tape being removed just 5 days after being sprayed. If my 1.5 MM tip arrives (it was missing from the box) I’ll give it a try to learn if the paint flows even better. I called Devilbiss and they recommend the 1.5MM tip for general use. The paint manufacturer recommends 1.3mm-1.6mm. I’m not sure why such a wide range. Side observations, I scraped it firmly with my finger nail 24 hours after painting without a mark or indent. With oil enamel it takes at least 2 weeks (in the South) to be this hard. If anybody wants me to dismantle the gun and show you the parts just let me know. All insights from more experienced painters are always welcome.
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 9, 2017 17:52:23 GMT -8
I have that same Craftsman compressor so I guess I will be upgrading. I need a bigger and better compressor for the shop anyhow and I plan on piping outlets to different areas of the shop. That way there is no need to move the compressor around.
Could you talk about the temperature you sprayed in and about mixing the hardener for different temps?
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Post by mrmarty51 on Feb 9, 2017 19:09:12 GMT -8
I was fortunate when I got My compressor. it is a 7.5 peak horse Craftsman, 80 gallon, built by Devilbiss.I asked the Sears sales rep who it was built by before I made the purchase. I shopped around for a compressor and it was the best buy I could find for a twin stage compressor that would run grinders, impacts and the heavier tools. It has performed flawlessly for fifteen years. I dont know if they still build that same compressor but the price at that time was just barely over 800 bucks. Most all of the equivalents run over a thousand and upwards. I guess a new thread should maybe be started about compressor recommendations.
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Post by nccamper on Feb 9, 2017 20:28:51 GMT -8
Could you talk about the temperature you sprayed in and about mixing the hardener for different temps? I sprayed at around 70 degrees with the recommended mix of 4 parts paint, 1 part hardener and one part reducer (to thin the mix). The store will recommend the hardener and reducer based on the weather. This is a sample of options for Omni PPG paint: A fast hardener must be for cold weather or for somebody much better than me because I need time to get the second coat on. There will be a line in the spec sheet for "pot life". This basically tells you how long you can leave the mixed paint before it’s trash. I was told by the PPG people that a safe bet is use it within 1 1/2 hours although the spec sheet says 8 hours. So only mix what you need. I was told by somebody who knows a lot about painting to spray on a very thin "flash coat" moving quickly, wait no more than 10-15 minutes for it to become tacky then spray a second coat covering fully but not too heavy. Take a look for coverage, if you're happy you're done. You only have 10-15 minutes to decide if it needs a third coat because after a half hour (or hour depending on who you ask) the paint is too dry to recoat. You then have to wait until it cures, sand it all again, tack rag again before recoating. Marty, I wish I had your compressor.
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Post by vikx on Feb 9, 2017 22:53:53 GMT -8
Thanks NC, for the great thread!
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Post by nccamper on Feb 10, 2017 6:30:56 GMT -8
Thanks NC, for the great thread! I made this a new thread because I didn't want to bog down other threads with details few would be interested in. -- A cheap tool I appricate: Cost around $4 at the paint store. when they say it is a 4-1-1 mix they mean paint up to the 4 mark, 1 more mark up for reducer and 1 for hardener. Mix in the cup and you're ready to paint. The cup is marked for different paint mixes. The paint store will tell you the right mix. Very easy.
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Post by Dad Rambles on Feb 10, 2017 6:54:29 GMT -8
Thanks for all the info NC. This is some great stuff to read up on before I paint mine. Although I am going the "cheaper" route, I love seeing what the difference is between the 200 paint job and the $$$ paint job. That shine looks good from GA!
I think if I were replacing most/all of my skin I would venture down this road. For me it just doesn't make sense because I'm using the original skin and patching the not-so-bad stuff. Maybe in the future!
Keep us posted!
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Post by nccamper on Feb 10, 2017 11:22:20 GMT -8
I think if I were replacing most/all of my skin I would venture down this road. For me it just doesn't make sense because I'm using the original skin and patching the not-so-bad stuff. Maybe in the future! Keep us posted! I understand completely. Before my first paint job a member said that with so much time spent on prep it makes sense to only use auto paint. But do you want to experiment with $500+ of materials the first time you paint a camper? I didn't. From my amateur prospective, there seems to be good and bad with both options. It’s a tough choice. Oil enamel 1. It costs $10-$15 a quart so experimenting with different color mixes is cheap. With auto paint, you pick a color and pay. You don't like the tint? You pay whether you like it or not. 2. It’s tougher and sprays better than latex paint. 3. If you mess up the spray job, no problem. Sand it off once it's dry and start over for another $30. 4. You back into a bush at the campground, you move on. With a $$$ auto paint job (many people pay $2500+) if you back into a bush the trip is ruined. With Rusto paint in one of their set colors you can even touch up with a matching Rusto spray can. Auto Paint 1. Although oil enamel dries hard, Auto is harder and tougher. 2. Although oil enamel looks very good, auto looks better. 3. Auto paint dries MUCH faster. If you're spraying outside with a lot of bugs and dust it matters. 4. When you go to sell the camper you might get (guessing) $3000+ more. 5. Auto paint lasts longer. Maybe twice as long. 6. If you’re putting on $2000 of new skin auto paint does make a lot of sense. Also, with a good oil enamel paint you may have one of the nicest campers at the Rally but you won’t be voted the best. How much do you want to be the best? Even if you use Auto Paint you'll probably destroy it yourself when you take the jrail and windows out in 10-15 years to replace the putty. So unlike a car paint job that can last 30 years parked outside a camper will not. Complicated. Do our resident experts agree? -- Another rambling thought, I was told to clean the gun with lacquer thinner rather than paint thinner. Something about oil residue with paint thinner. And be sure to take the gun apart rather then just spraying cleaner through it. It's really easy to get apart. Three fitting unscrew.
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Post by mrmarty51 on Feb 10, 2017 14:24:04 GMT -8
If the paint gun will be used within the hour or hour and a half, then just a good blow through flushing with lacquer thinner. If the gun is going to be stored indefinitely then a complete tear down and clean up, using lacquer thinner should be performed.
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Post by nccamper on Feb 10, 2017 15:11:05 GMT -8
If the paint gun will be used within the hour or hour and a half, then just a good blow through flushing with lacquer thinner. If the gun is going to be stored indefinitely then a complete tear down and clean up, using lacquer thinner should be performed. How long can the gun sit before it needs lacquer thinner run through it? Can it sit unused after spraying for 30-45 minutes? My guess is less time but I've never tried.
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Post by mrmarty51 on Feb 10, 2017 16:26:48 GMT -8
If the paint gun will be used within the hour or hour and a half, then just a good blow through flushing with lacquer thinner. If the gun is going to be stored indefinitely then a complete tear down and clean up, using lacquer thinner should be performed. How long can the gun sit before it needs lacquer thinner run through it? Can it sit unused after spraying for 30-45 minutes? My guess is less time but I've never tried. I never let guns set for more than ten minutes without flushing. Usually if applying the flash coat, by the time a person gets moved all the way around, it most likely will be ready for the second coat, so there would be no time for the paint to setup in the gun. I usually go on with three coats, allowing plenty of time between the second and third coat so the there will be no curtains{runs}. Giving usually a half an hour after shuting the gun down from the second coat. Then I will do a quick flush of the gun. I have done some spray painting in the past, just not enough painting to get proficient at it. I run with two air dryers piggy backed then I always use an oil filter right at the gun. Do not want to see any fish eyes, unless they are looking at Me through a hole in the ice. LOL My painting experience has all been on heavy equipment and usually Omaha Orange. LOL A new Dodge Diesel pickup setting on the car lot, Wife said I wouldn`t mind You getting that one. I told Her that`d be too much like stepping back in the State Dept. of transportation. LOL
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