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Post by cheri on Apr 10, 2014 2:19:54 GMT -8
My original plan was to pull the ceiling panels, fix roof check for leaks then put panels back on. Ha, ha, I didn't realize that the panels are between the frame and roof. So, if I detach the roof, put new ceiling panels in and then seal the roof, how do I know if it is leaking before the panels get damaged?  Cheri |
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Post by mattyshorts on Apr 10, 2014 4:12:37 GMT -8
Is it possible to make all your exterior repairs first, hook up a water hose and give the exterior a good soak?...if you have any leaks, then they would be detected easier.
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Post by mobiltec on Apr 10, 2014 8:04:14 GMT -8
This is the reason I did the videos. Too much typing for an explanation of this sort. You need to start right in order to finish right.
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Post by cheri on Apr 10, 2014 14:02:57 GMT -8
This is the reason I did the videos. Too much typing for an explanation of this sort. You need to start right in order to finish right. Your videos are most excellent, and I understand the importance of taking the skin off. ( I love that your process on the Deville doesn't take the camper completely apart all at the same time) I need to replace all the ceiling panels and possible some warped rafters. I am just really worried that after going through all this work, my roof will leak and ruin everything. The front and rear siding meet the roof (lap joint screwed together) up on top where it gets flat. I'm just having visions of the new birch panels that I bought ruined by leakage. I am replacing all the ceiling panels. My lack of confidence is due to an accurate assessment of my skills and experience. (Zero) Thanks, Cheri |
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Post by pirateslife on Apr 10, 2014 15:06:20 GMT -8
That's one reason I'm doing the outside of mine first. While I know it was built from the inside out, I did remove the skin to make repairs, and almost got it dried back in. When I get it all the way, I am going to pull it outside and hang out in it in the rain to check it for leaks before putting insulation and paneling. Water hoses don't do the trick as they put water in the wrong direction.
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Post by mattyshorts on Apr 10, 2014 17:18:03 GMT -8
water hose pointed up....water must go down...I'm not quite sure why a hose wouldn't work. thanks, matt
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Post by pirateslife on Apr 10, 2014 17:22:09 GMT -8
Water pointed up will hit in places with force that it don't normally see. Kinda like on a roof, if you shoot water on shingles with a hose from the ground it will run under them and leak where natural rain rolls off. A good rain will cover everything in it's natural state like it will be in outside. Some leaks take a steady water source rolling over them to seep through
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Post by mobiltec on Apr 10, 2014 19:23:16 GMT -8
When you remove the top skin you will know if it has been leaking which it sounds like it has. If that's the case you need a new roof. The only leaks should be where vents are. If you have leaks at the seams then nothing will fix them for good. Temporary at best so you may as well bite the bullet and replace the roof if it's a mess. If the budget doesn't allow for that then the only other thing you can do is go goop crazy and hope for the best.
If you see that it is not leaking anywhere but the vents then just be careful with it and move on as normal. When you reinstall all vents you will seal them with putty tape and all should be well.
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Post by mobiltec on Apr 10, 2014 19:25:44 GMT -8
For some reason this is one I thought I saw photos of but now I see none in this thread. Cheri could you post a few to show us the inside damage and the top of your roof as it is now?
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Post by mattyshorts on Apr 11, 2014 3:59:22 GMT -8
Pirateslife you are right. ...but what I am talking about is using a hose, pointing it up, letting the water go up in an arc, and letting it rain down. Not shooting water out of the hose directly up under the edges.
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Post by cheri on Apr 11, 2014 4:24:27 GMT -8
For some reason this is one I thought I saw photos of but now I see none in this thread. Cheri could you post a few to show us the inside damage and the top of your roof as it is now? Most off the damage to the walls seams to be from "stuff" like awning hardware, etc. and at the edges which were covered with dry cracked goop. Here is the front seam from inside. You can see that some of the screws are leaking  This from the outside. Lots of coatings were removed from this seam. You can see screws popping out.  Here is the middle. These seems look ok underneath   This is the rear seam still covered in goop.  Here is the inside rear. Damage around vent and evidence of moisture at the seam  |
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Post by SusieQ on Apr 11, 2014 4:27:59 GMT -8
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Post by cheri on Apr 11, 2014 4:37:18 GMT -8
Yes it is. Thank you. I have been reading and watching videos like crazy. I am slowly making sense out of information overload. |
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Post by mobiltec on Apr 11, 2014 8:51:04 GMT -8
Yes it is. Thank you. I have been reading and watching videos like crazy. I am slowly making sense out of information overload. Don't be too worried Cheri. We were all new at this once. But many of us didn't have the internet to help us out in the beginning. Looks like it all boils down to whether you can afford a new roof or not and whether you think you can install one or not. The roof replacement is not the easiest thing in the world to do and on the first one I did I screwed it up. So you may wish to go with a goop fest. In that regard I'm not experienced but many here are. Thanks for the photos as they help tell the story a lot better. |
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Post by cheri on Apr 11, 2014 10:03:31 GMT -8
I sincerely appreciate everyone's help and patience, and have a couple more questions. I don't think I can handle a new roof. I'm not as much worried about the cost as I am about being able to do it. I am pretty much on my own with this. My husband is a dairy farmer, so he is too busy to enable my obsession.  I have a new thought, and I am hoping someone can tell me if it sounds feasible or not. Below is a picture of the basic framing on the camper. Mine is the biggest version, so the middle part is longer than the camper in the picture. I'm wondering if I can pry the roof, rafters and all, up and off the horizontal board beneath it. The paneling is sandwiched in between. If that might work, I could slide the paneling in. Crazy?? On the other hand, is putting the panels under the roof important to the structural integrity of the camper? If not perhaps I could just tack them up. That way if the roof does leak, they can be replaced. Thanks again   |
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