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Post by kscountrygal on Apr 23, 2014 11:08:15 GMT -8
Hi all, I'm new here (this is my first post) but I've been doing a lot of reading and lurking. For ages I've wanted a little trailer to take to the lake, on hunting trips, etc. I camp a lot, and have slept in my truck quite a bit because I'm fat & old (lol!) and just can't take fooling around with a tent anymore. I'm not really too interested in a 'purist' restore, but rather a safe, fun and functional recreational playtoy. Trip lengths will mostly fall into the 20-50 mile (one way) range, although I really would love to take it into the Rockies if/when it's found airworthy. My TV is a 2013 Ford F150 SCrew STX with the 5.0 V8; it also has the tow package, but does NOT have a TBC installed. This trailer supposedly has electric brakes, but since it's less than 1500 lbs I'm hoping it won't give me too much trouble without 'em. The current owner is a 'tinkerer' and has done a lot of work on this thing. He's ripped out all of the propane system, and has done Lord only knows what to the electrical system. It's 120vAC, which powers the appliances (air conditioner, space heater, fridge and microwave). I already know the roof leaks and that there is a lot of damage to the ceiling. The trailer otherwise looks to be in fairly good condition. Ultimately, I want to install a 12v solar-powered system to run a few things (LED lighting, roof exhaust fan, USB charger) and mount a small portable generator on the tongue (where the propane bottle used to be) for running the other stuff. I have an old Coleman heater which runs on white gas, as well as a portable BBQ grill and a single-burner Coleman stove, so having the propane gone shouldn't be a big deal. I have NOT purchased this trailer yet, though the purchase price is well within my budget. I did take a lot of photos, and would like to hear some opinions from you fine folks about it. Here is the link to my photos, thank you in advance! Imgur photos
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Post by pathfinder3081 on Apr 23, 2014 11:42:20 GMT -8
Welcome to the site. Mmm, looks like it could use a good cleaning out and cleaning up. Once you start fixing the leaks, you might find that you want to go ahead and replace the stuff you are taking down to do the repair. It doesn’t have to be that expensive. Cleaning one up, repairing what’s broke and squaring one away can go along ways in making a camper pleasant to the eye as well as functional, safe and dry. Frame rot is something that has to be addressed. If it has a lot of it, you'll have ro replace/repair before you hit your camping trips. If it has a little? You might be able to take your chances for a trip or two but it's better to find while it’s at your house than it is it be on the side of the highway. At A glance at your pics.. Can you get it home? Does he want more that 800 for it? The inside looks "iffy" perhaps its just has alot of clutter but how much of it should be considered in the purchase? Some of the stuff we generaly look for in a sale are gone. That might be a good barter point for you. Do you have a vision for it? I can understand that. Rip it out and do your own thing? I say go for it but try and get it cheap. You'll be on the backside or 4 or 500 really quick when you start poking around and looking at tires.. Good luck and again.. Welcome to the site.
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Post by mattyshorts on Apr 23, 2014 11:50:06 GMT -8
Looks like a cool little trailer. I like the fact that it was made in KS....I'm in the 785 area. Have you looked under the trailer along the walls for signs of rot? I would be prepared for the possibility of water damaged framing behind the wall panels. The guru's on this site recommend using an ice pick to probe for soft spots where water damage is visible. This site is the Ft. Knox for trailer info and advice..... I searched for several years before I found a 'vintage' camper in this area, so if you have the time, the money, and the patience to learn from the folks here, I say go for it. good luck!
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Post by Ten on Apr 23, 2014 12:44:58 GMT -8
Hi and welcome. It's about time you joined in on this madness!
That is a decent looking trailer, and it sure looks a lot more comfortable than sleeping in the truck....
I would put a wild-a**ed guess for the build year at around 1968-72, judging by the siding, the water fill (plastic), the Rocket pump faucet, the vinyl coating on the ceiling panels (white stuff peeling and falling down) even the rims and the rear cargo door style look 1970 or so to me. Is there paperwork for transferring the ownership of this? That will solve that mystery quick...and it will save you many hassles with the DMV.
Allowing for the fact that the ceiling needs redoing, the rest looks straight and in really nice shape. I would say at first glance that it will be worth whatever you feel you can afford to put into it over time, and should service your needs for a long time to come. You really should consider new tires and possibly new rims before you ever go anywhere, unless they have been definitely replaced within recent memory. It's an expense, but one the is well worth it.
It is missing a few things that were originally in it, but, it sounds like you have already thought all of those things through and have a plan for using it. I would really recommend that, when you first buy it and bring it home, spend some time in it...have your morning coffee...sit with the table setup and read the paper...try envisioning it 'in the field' so to speak, and see how it will be comfortable for your use. Do this before you remove anything from it...with the exception of cleaning. The point of how different it feels when you clean it up to suit yourself is a very good tip.
I'd like to make a point about the trailer brakes, and your truck. Most of the modern tow packages are already wired to accept a brake controller. My Chevy took a specific wire harness that plugged into the controller and into the panel under the dash...and that was all there was to the installation. A decent controller can be added for under $100, and having the working brakes will be an advantage you will never regret, especially if you intend to end up someday cruising into the Rockies. Remember, the 1500 or 160 dry weight is just the base weight you start from, and any gear and groceries and fuel and generator and ... add to that and strain your tow vehicle all the more.
I would envision removing the roof and installing the ceiling and rafters, as well as the added 12-V wiring. It looks like the top should come off fairly easily compared to some I have seen...Don't get scared, it sounds like an enormous process, but if done carefully it will give you sound results. It is also a great way to seal the vents to prevent any more leaks. I'd also suggest resealing the window and door frames before long also. Pathfinder has it right though...some of these repairs can be done at your leisure if the framing is sound enough to hold together for you.
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Post by kscountrygal on Apr 23, 2014 13:55:46 GMT -8
Thanks, folks! My total budget is $2,000- by which I mean I hope to have a serviceable camping trailer for about that amount; the guy wants $500 for it, and I figured on spending another $500 to get it road-worthy. I figure the trailer frame alone is worth the $500, plus the appliances, so even if it falls apart between hither & yon I'm still not out anything. I'm on a fixed income, so major repairs will have to be bitten off in chewable chunks; I plan on doing most of the work myself (I'm an A&P mechanic, as are both of my brothers). As for getting it home, well, the guy only lives a couple of houses away from me! It's sat in the same spot for a year; the owner used to take it to an r/c airfield (he stored his planes in it, then camped at the airfield in it). Fact is, I've had my beady little eye on it for ages. :-D My basic needs are pretty simple: a place to eat, sleep and answer the call of nature while I'm out hunting or at the lake fishing LOL. I don't drink coffee, don't watch TV, etc, and have a ton of coolers and camping supplies already. The owner has a little Coleman porta-potty he's willing to give me, but a chem toilet = extra weight; a 5 gallon honey bucket has served me well over the years. I have to say the amount of storage in this thing is really pretty impressive. There is plenty of room for my hunting gear, as well as my fishing gear, and I can store my empty coolers and camping supplies in it, too. I can take it over to the CO-OP and have it weighed on their truck scale; I need to call Ford and find out the proper part number for the TBC- it was *supposed* to have it already, but of course they 'forgot' to put it in there. 9_9 Thanks again, folks- I'm pretty sure I've been bitten by the bug...
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Post by soup on Apr 23, 2014 14:06:19 GMT -8
Welcome to VTT kscountrygal!
I don't want to be a party pooper but before investing one red cent, I would check with your local DMV/license branch office and see what you would need in proper paperwork for title to get registration and license plate since you are wanting to travel on the roads with it and not just park it somewhere. Unless it already had clean title for it. I don't think I saw you mention a title so I thought I would give you a heads up. Nothing worse than making a purchase, then investing a couple grand ca$h and 100-200 hours labor into something only to find out it has to stay on your property forever.
Enjoy the site and let it simmer, soup
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Post by Ten on Apr 23, 2014 17:20:52 GMT -8
I forgot to mention earlier.... as most that hang out here know, I can be a bit of a smart-ass....the Shasta trailers have those wings on 'em. That Comet would look really great with a set of 'Red Baron' wings..... .
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Post by mattyshorts on Apr 23, 2014 17:48:33 GMT -8
I'm not sure if she is in Kansas or not ,.....if so it's 2,000 lbs and under does not need to be titled...
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Post by kscountrygal on Apr 23, 2014 19:42:30 GMT -8
Welcome to VTT kscountrygal!
I don't want to be a party pooper but before investing one red cent, I would check with your local DMV/license branch office and see what you would need in proper paperwork for title to get registration and license plate since you are wanting to travel on the roads with it and not just park it somewhere. Unless it already had clean title for it. I don't think I saw you mention a title so I thought I would give you a heads up. Nothing worse than making a purchase, then investing a couple grand ca$h and 100-200 hours labor into something only to find out it has to stay on your property forever.
Enjoy the site and let it simmer, soup This was one of my major concerns. The owner does NOT have a title for it, but he claims the trailer doesn't need to have tags/registration due to its weight (under 2000 lbs). I talked to a local 'trailer guy' and he also said a small trailer does not need registration/tags here in Kansas. Trying to get in contact with the DMV is slightly less fun and somewhat more frustrating than pulling teeth on a bear, btw.
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Post by kscountrygal on Apr 23, 2014 19:44:56 GMT -8
I'm not sure if she is in Kansas or not ,.....if so it's 2,000 lbs and under does not need to be titled... Aye, I'm in Kansas- near Wichita (which is where this thing was originally made!). I figure as long as I leave my collection of bowling balls, lead bars and decorative rocks behind, I should be safe.
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Post by kscountrygal on Apr 23, 2014 19:50:30 GMT -8
I forgot to mention earlier.... as most that hang out here know, I can be a bit of a smart-ass....the Shasta trailers have those wings on 'em. That Comet would look really great with a set of 'Red Baron' wings..... . That would look about as cool as a fart can exhaust, hood scoop & blower on a '73 Pinto...lol Besides, I'm thinking of painting the whole thing white, with flamingo pink & faaaabulously purple highlights. Oh, and pink camo fabric inside- I have to keep it classy, you know.
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Post by kscountrygal on Apr 24, 2014 0:59:42 GMT -8
I've been doing quite a bit of thinking about my 'midlife crisis project-to-be, maybe,' so I figured I'd lay my thoughts out on here and get some input. 1: Problem: Trailer does not have title. Question- Would I possibly be able to apply for a new title (with me as the manufacturer) if I were to rebuild this thing from the ground up? 2: Structural aluminum U channels, instead of bulky & rot-prone wood. I am far, far more at home with aircraft construction; would replacing the old crappy wood with aluminum U channels be better? I'm not really interested in a true restoration project, and the wood is going to be a pain to replace. Aluminum is lighter, and it has some pretty good qualities (example from the Grainger website: Tensile Strength (PSI) 27,000, Typical Yield Strength (PSI) 21,000, Typical Hardness 60, Hardness Scale BHN, Standards ASTMB221). I think I could cobble together a sturdy, safe, and quite modern little unit if I have a few extra hands to assist & a proper shop to work in. A riveted, stressed-skin frame would be IMO *very* durable. LOL One of my friends is actually an aircraft structural engineer, perhaps I should buy him a 12 pack and pick his brain... The possibilities are endless; with the weight savings from removing all the wood, plus excellent insulation, I could really make this a VERY efficient little rig. Plus, this would allow me to inspect and properly redo the wiring & plumbing (such that it is). What little I've seen of the current wiring is sketchy (and inefficient) at best. Being able to run on a 12v system would be great; a generator for high load use, with solar as primary (replacing interior lights with LEDs would be really efficient). ...thanks for letting me ramble.
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Post by bigbill on Apr 24, 2014 5:06:50 GMT -8
kscountrygal If you want to go to an aluminum frame with riveted skin my suggestion would be to buy a new trailer chassis and build from scratch. this way you could build exactly what you want with all new electrical circuits to suit your needs and when you got finished you would have a brand new trailer that should last a long long time. You could purchase a used trailer to strip for parts such as windows and such. If you designed it to look as a fifty year old classic then you would have the best of both worlds. Just a suggestion but give it a lot of thought it might save you work and money in the long run. Good luck on what ever you do.
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Post by dawn on Apr 24, 2014 21:25:21 GMT -8
You are wise to think through the title issue. If the seller is the original owner and is sure that no one else has had it registered then it shouldn't be a big problem. Take the bill of sale that includes the VIN to a title company and have them do the legwork for ya. Well worth the fee of $15-25 as it not only saves you the hassle, they will know exactly how to make it happen. Even though you don't technically need a title in KS, if you decide to sell it later it's going to be worth more with a title.
As for the technical side of things, i will leave the advice to the others who know way more than I do.
Welcome! We are practically neighbors, I live in KC on the "good" side ( MO). :-)
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Post by kscountrygal on Apr 26, 2014 14:07:53 GMT -8
Well, I did a function test today, and everything electrical actually works...though I'm not very fond of the rat's nest up at the plug harness. That little window AC unit rocks! It brought the trailer from 92 down to 70 in the span of about 15 minutes, which is pretty awesome. The fridge is nice and cold, though I will have to install a computer muffin fan in the wall to get some airflow around the condenser unit (it gets pretty hot back there). So, what the heck- I pulled the trigger and went for it. I won't actually take possession of it until June, but that will give me plenty of time to properly plan things out.
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