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Post by vikx on Aug 13, 2016 20:59:28 GMT -8
Absolutely start small. Learn the ropes then branch out toward your preference...
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Post by Teachndad on Aug 13, 2016 22:04:52 GMT -8
Hi Friends,
Chametzoo asked if I would go after it and bid on it. I would go after it, but I don't have the cash. I can only bid on something a quarter of that price, LOL. The allure was also that it was within a 2 to three hour drive from me. I would have insisted on a visit and getting a look see underneath and do the Ice Pick Pokey dance.
Questions were asked about the interior finish earlier in this thread. I lived in a house as a kid with that same finish in the kitchen. It looks like someone mixed milk(I know they didn't really) in with the whatever was applied and you get that milky look. I saw it in person in a 67 Kencraft a few months ago as well and the cabinets were ash wood. (Larry knows the trailer I am talking about). I prefer a natural finish - like butcher block, myself, but I would't change the trailer over it. I would still leave it as is.
Cheers,
Rod
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Post by chametzoo on Aug 14, 2016 8:24:28 GMT -8
I'll bet the buyer won't know this is a park model with a tiny "house" type toilet. It needs water in the tank and a straight on connection to a sewer to work. Otherwise, it will fill the rolling tank with one flush… I implied this about the 'house' toilet in my last post, kind of as a joke. But Vikx is correct, this is a trailer for full hook up campgrounds. The toilet alone proves that: you need gallons to even flush once (and refill!) and then you need for someplace for it all to go outside of the trailer. As far as I saw in the ad, there is no mention of electrical capabilities either. From that, I'll assume it's all 110V plug in. So let's say as a buyer, you are OK with all of that; the next piece of information you would need is how well will this trailer tow? When it comes to pink appliances, etc… "original" is nice, but not so much when it comes to the trailer's running gear. Again, no mention of brakes, refurbished/replaced wheel bearings, axle, frame reenforcement…. etc. etc… all very easy to address without taking the trailer apart. C'mon… it's even got split rims!… sounds nice in the ad, but boy is that going to piss off the guy who has to mount a new tire. If I had not learned so much about these trailers from all of you on this forum (AFTER I bought my Mobile Scout!), I would be hot for this trailer, thinking it was more than a park model… which I think we've established it is. To make matters worse, the seller is not saying so… and no one seems to be asking him/her either. Vintage trailers seem to stimulate the imagination, to the point of delusion! With all of that said, if advertised as a park model, it's awesome and even a good deal if the price stays within $12-14K. There is definitely a customer for that: short holiday tows to the local beach or mountains… an instant "guest house"… or just someone with a tiny house fetish . Heck, I qualify for all 3 of those interests; but I also take my Mobile Scout off grid (more than on) and on long trips through Rocky Mountain passes, etc… so I set mine up to be able to do all of that (as well as look cool when it's parked .)
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Post by Teachndad on Aug 14, 2016 20:50:19 GMT -8
Chametzoo, You make some really good points in your last post. I missed the split rims in the description. Good catch! Current bids for the auction are now at $10,100. Does anyone know if this model of trailer could have come as a non-park model with holding tanks or with one of those all in one toilets that need 4 gallons of water to run off grid? Cheers, Rod
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Post by vikx on Aug 14, 2016 21:02:57 GMT -8
Anything is possible. Many buyers custom ordered a trailer the way they wanted it. Also, many have been added to over the years.
By the way, those "all in one" toilets you mentioned are very nasty. We call them fecal fountains. It uses the waste water to rinse the bowl. Gets pretty stinky. Google Monomatic toilet. I've got two you can have for free!
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Post by msgoehring on Aug 14, 2016 21:09:13 GMT -8
$10,100 with over a day to go. I had to check out the split rim thing cause I hadn't heard it before. All I can say is I'm glad they aren't made anymore, my dad is still (at 73) a truck driver and I'm sure he dealt with plenty of those through the years. I'm gonna ask him next time he's in town if he has any horror stories about them. Gives us something to talk about 😁
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Post by vikx on Aug 14, 2016 21:27:41 GMT -8
Gee, maybe they'll get "Top flipper in the Nation" award....
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Post by danrhodes on Aug 15, 2016 6:26:39 GMT -8
$10,100 with over a day to go. I had to check out the split rim thing cause I hadn't heard it before. All I can say is I'm glad they aren't made anymore, my dad is still (at 73) a truck driver and I'm sure he dealt with plenty of those through the years. I'm gonna ask him next time he's in town if he has any horror stories about them. Gives us something to talk about 😁 Google split rim exploding videos...they are scary and often deadly. I hear some tire shops have a cage to work on them to protect the other shop employees.
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Post by theresa on Aug 15, 2016 6:31:18 GMT -8
My son works at a Ford dealership and recently had a tire blow up in his face. The whole thing was caught on video as they have cameras in the shop to protect the dealership from claims by customers (you scratched my car, etc.) and as a mother, it was sickening to watch. The tire hit his chest and left tread marks, rolled up and hit his chin causing him to bit part of his tongue off, tumbled him backwards 8 feet where he hit his leg on the bumper of the vehicle behind him. And this was just a regular rim with a hairline crack in it, not a split rim like the large logging trucks up here still use. So yes, it is recommended that shops use a cage for inflating split ring or two piece rims for sure.
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Post by chametzoo on Aug 15, 2016 7:36:29 GMT -8
Does anyone know if this model of trailer could have come as a non-park model with holding tanks…… It would not be too difficult to add a black tank to this rig. The black tank that was added to my trailer is wide and shallow and runs about 5' of the 7' width of the trailer, with the toilet dumping into the "deep end" of the tank, of course. It's bolted around its edge flanges to the trailer frame. Since I swapped a drop axle for a straight one, the ground clearance is adequate. I also put in a vent that goes up through the roof, so even after 3 days of accumulated use I have not had even a hint of foul odor in or around the trailer. (I also prime the tank with a product called Eco-Save, which adds bacteria, absorbing bran and surficant to the mix). I was also concerned about the "shallow/high end" of the tank accumulating debris, so I installed a Quickie Flush at that location so I can blast water "downstream" toward the tank outlet. FYI, I also use a Sewer Solution device at the outlet which also blasts water into the tank when set to clean, and macerates and literally pulls debris and water out when set to expel the tank's contents. It's actually a brilliant device and if used properly, is sooo easy to use and does a thorough job… and if your tank is shallow like mine, a Quickie Flush or two installed makes your tank super clean. I know this is off topic for this thread, but these are the kinds of useful things a seller can invest in to make an old trailer more functional. But the seller of the Kenskill appears to be more interested in nice cushions and curtains. These are things that can be easily added by the buyer, after purchase. I don't mean to be overly critical of this seller, but it would clarify things for any first time buyer if the auction explicitly stated that it is a park model and this is what that means. Full disclosure, in other words. I can tell by some of the questions being asked at the auction site, that there is ambiguity as to what this trailer is capable of. I also am not trusting of the snarky and defensive answers that the seller is providing in some cases. It's not unlike the guy I bought my trailer from… it wasn't so much that he was overtly lying to me, but he would become evasive and irritated when I asked direct questions. Being naive to the whole restoration thing, I backed off thinking I had offended his "expertise". I was a perfect "mark" for his con. But it all turned out well in the end and made for a great education.
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Post by azshastanut on Aug 15, 2016 8:10:52 GMT -8
This is not necessarily a park model. Kenskill originally equipped trailers with Monomatic toilets. These are a recirculating toilet that is good for about 50 uses. They acquired a nick name as a "s--- shower". The toilet has a 12 volt pump and filter and as the number of uses increases, the flush liquid is mixed with the sewage. So all of the waste is contained within the toilet and when it is full you hook up your hose to a dump station or a portable, open the dump valve located inside at the bottom of the toilet and when empty close the valve and recharge the unit with about 4 gallons of water and some chemical. I have removed these toilets from my Kenskills and replaced them with Thetford Curves with mounting plates. Much easier and manageable, less or no odor, dump in any available toilet. Not original, but highly recommended by myself and our super vintage trailer video restoration coach Larry @ Mobiletec. Larry made this conversion on his Kenskill also.
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Post by mobiltec on Aug 15, 2016 11:26:46 GMT -8
This is not necessarily a park model. Kenskill originally equipped trailers with Monomatic toilets. These are a recirculating toilet that is good for about 50 uses. They acquired a nick name as a "s--- shower". The toilet has a 12 volt pump and filter and as the number of uses increases, the flush liquid is mixed with the sewage. So all of the waste is contained within the toilet and when it is full you hook up your hose to a dump station or a portable, open the dump valve located inside at the bottom of the toilet and when empty close the valve and recharge the unit with about 4 gallons of water and some chemical. I have removed these toilets from my Kenskills and replaced them with Thetford Curves with mounting plates. Much easier and manageable, less or no odor, dump in any available toilet. Not original, but highly recommended by myself and our super vintage trailer video restoration coach Larry @ Mobiletec. Larry made this conversion on his Kenskill also. This particular model is a park model. And it came with the tank toilet as mine did. I still have that toilet. I rebuilt the guts and made it work great and the new owner wanted it removed and replaced with the Thetford I put in it which has it's own black tank. It's not recirculating but uses fresh water. A "Park Model" has no storage tanks other than fresh water. Not really sure why they put the fresh water tank in if you have no black and gray water tanks. Another thing to watch out for in park models is that many, like my 59 Kenskill, are so low that a roll-away tank won't work... The sewer pipe that comes straight down from the toilet ring is not high enough to allow drop from there to the top of a roll-away toilet. So be aware of all this information if you ever look at purchasing a park model trailer. There may not be enough room to install a tank that will work properly and it may be too low for an above ground roll-away tank. Regarding sellers and their attitudes, I've found that most "flippers" do not bother getting to know the trailer they are selling. They clean it up (maybe) stick some cushions in it that do not go with the trailer and put it on the market. Most of them are very lazy sellers. So they get upset when you ask a question because they don't know the answer. I on the other hand research my trailers, clean them up the best I can, make them LEGAL and SAFE TO TOW and I point out all the bad stuff in a walk through video tour along with the good stuff. I even point out what it takes to get the trailer up to par whether it needs a full frame up restoration or a partial. I tell them all to visit my website and educate themselves and my trailers usually sell over night. I don't do that much flipping but what flipping I do is basically to save the trailer from the junk yard.
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Post by glg72 on Aug 16, 2016 15:15:51 GMT -8
I see the trailer just sold for $16,400.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 16:51:07 GMT -8
I see the trailer just sold for $16,400. Why did you have to say that. Now I am furious! Not because I missed the opportunity but because its an unspeakable ripoff...
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Post by mobiltec on Aug 16, 2016 17:45:54 GMT -8
I see the trailer just sold for $16,400. Why did you have to say that. Now I am furious! Not because I missed the opportunity but because its an unspeakable ripoff... There's 255 of them born every minute on this planet. That's a lot of suckers.
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