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Post by Aloha! on Nov 9, 2013 23:41:08 GMT -8
I looked at a little Layton trailer yesterday and the first thing I noted was that there were no cut outs for the wheel wells -- skin ran straight line from front to back. I know this isn't usual but is it terribly unusual? What trailers had that particular design if known? Guessing this little darling to be in the early 60s.
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Post by SusieQ on Nov 9, 2013 23:47:43 GMT -8
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Post by Aloha! on Nov 10, 2013 9:38:39 GMT -8
Oh... Susie Q ... (I know, poor joke) that's almost it. This one doesn't have the vent by the door and the door is solid but we're certainly in the same era. Particularly if it has 3 windows on the street side. Thanks!
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Post by vikx on Nov 10, 2013 22:05:59 GMT -8
There are a few brands with no cut out. I believe Yellowstones were that way for a while. Some people cut them out for wheel and tire access. Little vintage trailers can be really tight in the wheel area, making the hub/skin clearance difficult to deal with.
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Post by Aloha! on Nov 10, 2013 22:16:37 GMT -8
So Vikx... When you say some people cut them out, are we talking us some people? Not manufacturers.
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Post by vikx on Nov 11, 2013 0:43:52 GMT -8
Yeah, new owner/builders. Beeline is another brand with no wheel wells in certain years...
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Post by Aloha! on Nov 11, 2013 11:28:09 GMT -8
What is the general consensus on changing the original design, if any? I understand why you would want to and I personally think it looks better with the cuts but am curious as to what most restorers/renovators/remodelers do.
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Post by vikx on Nov 11, 2013 23:19:00 GMT -8
I think 40s and earlier trailers should be as original as possible. The definition of RESTORED.
50s, it's nice to keep as much as you can, but a few changes might be necessary for safety and mechanics, not to mention PO missing items. The 50s canned hams are getting more rare by the day, so they should look like one, if you get my drift. Please don't paint polka dots and buxom cowgirls on the siding.
As the trailers wander into the 60s, they are far more numerous. I like the more original examples, but it's OK to modify as you see fit. Many times the renovator has no choice: trailer is either gutted or painted anyway.
My thoughts.
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Post by bigbill on Nov 12, 2013 1:25:06 GMT -8
Good thought Vikx but as for 60s trailers 15 years ago canned hams were plentiful, but now they are gone around around here unless they have been rebuilt.
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Post by Aloha! on Nov 12, 2013 5:02:07 GMT -8
No buxom cowgirls, huh? Well then... how about a scantily clad Hula dancer?
How do we define "restore/restoration/restoral"? To me...
1. to bring back into existence, use, or the like; reestablish
2. to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition, like a building, statue, painting or trailer
How do we define "renovate/remodel"? To me.....
1. Renovate: to make something like new again: to bring something such as a building back to a former better state by means of repairs, redecoration, or remodeling
2. Renovate: to refresh somebody or something: to give new vigor to somebody or something
3. Remodel: to reconstruct, make over
Do you folks really "restore" trailers to their former, original glory or renovate/remodel? I see Restore as $$$$$ and Renovate/Remodel as $($$$$). Both subjective and goal/desire dependent of course.
Obviously I have a bit too much time on my hands this morning!
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Post by txoil on Nov 12, 2013 5:16:58 GMT -8
In the end, it's up to the individual owner, but I completely agree with vikx about no polka dots or cowgirls painted on a classic canned ham. Just my take on it, but the closer to original, the better. Back in the mid 90's i ran a part time business restoring soda machines and gas pumps, just when the soda machine collection boom was beginning, and I would get orders for some crazy paint schemes for restorations (sports teams mostly)..and one machine I bought was a classic Vendo 81 Coke machine which had been covered with comic book pages sometime in its past. The owner could not sell it because no one wanted it in that state. I ended up paying $150 for a machine that at the time was selling for $1500 unrestored because of a PO's bad choice. My point is, don't devalue or detract from the timeless appeal of something for the sake of 'individual expression'.
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Post by Aloha! on Nov 12, 2013 5:53:33 GMT -8
I totally agree. I had originally thought I'd get a trailer and renovate it to fit my purposes and then paint some Hawaiian theme on it, decorate accordingly, and show it off at a Sisters on the Fly event (not Glamping though) or some such thing. Since joining this group, spending an inordinate amount of time looking and researching, watching videos, and getting to "know" the little trailers better (still learning) I have a whole different outlook on what I thought I wanted and now want to do with them. I want to go back to the basics and keep them as much as possible original -- I want the character of the trailer to remain. No airbrushed hula girl after all. I'm certainly not knocking anyone that wishes to do otherwise since that was what captured my attention to begin with but, in my case, I'll be sticking with the basics I believe.
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Post by bigbill on Nov 12, 2013 6:58:11 GMT -8
My Shasta will look mostly stock outside, but the inside will be completely changed to suit me and the boss and we plan to use it till we are done with it then sell it for what ever we can. Win lose or draw we will have hopefully had enough enjoyment with it that it just won't matter, of course if we make a million or two that would be OK.  |
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Post by cowcharge on Nov 12, 2013 7:43:40 GMT -8
Like Bill's, mine will look mostly the same outside. Inside though, all new look but using the old appliances and hardware where possible. But it's a '76, so no one will mind.
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Post by SusieQ on Nov 12, 2013 7:58:56 GMT -8
I'm so torn. Mine has so much original and in good condition that I feel compelled retore it back to its original glory. In my internet research, its really hard to find an original everything restore. Sometimes its hard to discern between original and modified.
Mine is for camping so it has to suit my needs. My biggie is the icebox. I need a real refrigerator, but I have this great retro icebox. I also have a dorm fridge in my vehicle which I was hoping to eliminate the need for with my Shasta.
And the cutesie painted interiors are attractive, but I have some great salvageable birchwood.
It would have almost been easier to start with something gutted. Then there would be no guilt.
The original retro discoveries give me a real adrenaline rush. I feel a need to preserve them.
At the rate they are being snatched up, they will be gone soon.
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