ladywendolyn
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Post by ladywendolyn on Apr 9, 2017 20:27:55 GMT -8
What about one of these? Are they gas?
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Post by vikx on Apr 9, 2017 21:31:11 GMT -8
Yes they are gas and fabulous... They are vented and might be a great addition. NOT cheap.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Apr 10, 2017 7:51:12 GMT -8
Yes they are gas and fabulous... They are vented and might be a great addition. NOT cheap. OK cool.. I love how they look and I will work on finding one. You know how I am for hunting down parts! SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by vikx on Apr 10, 2017 10:39:23 GMT -8
Have fun with it!
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Post by chametzoo on Apr 10, 2017 11:39:09 GMT -8
OK cool.. I love how they look and I will work on finding one. You know how I am for hunting down parts! SaveSaveSaveSaveAhhh. So the truth comes out, LadyW. All this time you were looking for the “coolest” looking heater . I think you found it! That grill is handsome. So what type of heater is this?
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Post by ladywendolyn on Apr 10, 2017 15:03:57 GMT -8
OK cool.. I love how they look and I will work on finding one. You know how I am for hunting down parts! SaveSaveSaveSaveAhhh. So the truth comes out, LadyW. All this time you were looking for the “coolest” looking heater . I think you found it! That grill is handsome. So what type of heater is this? I did some research today. This is a "vented" version of a vintage gas heater that was made by Peerless and found in many old bathrooms and small spaces in peoples homes. The household ones were not vented, but the trailer ones (they were mostly used in old cardinals) were vented. I don't know if I will be able to find a vented one. There are unvented ones with ceramic bricks all the time on eBay. I have given some thought to just installing one and creating a vent above it with a small 12 volt computer fan that makes the fumes exit the trailer. That and a window cracked open would likely be enough fresh air in theory. Oxygen sensor added on the line, propane sensor in the trailer, and it might be ok. I'm going to talk to an old guy at my local RV place who has worked there since the 1960's and see what he thinks. He will likely remember the old ones. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by CorvettCrzy on Apr 11, 2017 10:17:47 GMT -8
We had one of these in our camper. How do I know if it's vented or not? Would there be some type of exhaust to the outside? Can anyone tell by my pics below? You can see that there were no holes to the outside. It was mounted on the side of the cabinet just inside the door on the LH side (same place as nccamper's). DSCN1385 by Corvett crzy, on Flickr DSCN0754 by Corvett crzy, on Flickr Here's ours. I didn't realize there were vented options. Any suggestions to vent other than cracked roof vent? DSCN0750 by Corvett crzy, on Flickr
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Post by CorvettCrzy on Apr 11, 2017 10:34:53 GMT -8
Oh, i did find a website for a repair place in Texas that has replacement parts etc. but I guess they only deal with the natural gas variety. He said he didn't know anything about mine. They look exactly the same.
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Post by nccamper on Apr 11, 2017 11:21:15 GMT -8
My original 62 Forester heater vented straight up through the roof. My 63 Shasta 1500 and 62 Shasta Compact both vented through the side. The side vented units seemed less likely to leak but don't look as good. The Wave3 is fine in NC but I can see why members in the Arctic North want more heat. In the deep South we're more concerned with AC.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Apr 11, 2017 14:36:00 GMT -8
Oh, i did find a website for a repair place in Texas that has replacement parts etc. but I guess they only deal with the natural gas variety. He said he didn't know anything about mine. They look exactly the same. If you decide to sell it let me know! I will also see what I can find out about venting. As I said, some of it is just plain science and using some good detectors in the trailer. I may keep the original side vent on my trailer, and create a channel that leads to the heater if I get this style. S
CorvettCrzy Is your heater out of your trailer by chance? I would love to see a photo of the top and back, to see how it is different from the household ones I have found on eBay? If it is not that different, I may go ahead with one from there.
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Post by chametzoo on Apr 11, 2017 15:56:08 GMT -8
Oh, i did find a website for a repair place in Texas that has replacement parts etc. but I guess they only deal with the natural gas variety. He said he didn't know anything about mine. They look exactly the same. If you decide to sell it let me know! I will also see what I can find out about venting. As I said, some of it is just plain science and using some good detectors in the trailer. I may keep the original side vent on my trailer, and create a channel that leads to the heater if I get this style. S
CorvettCrzy Is your heater out of your trailer by chance? I would love to see a photo of the top and back, to see how it is different from the household ones I have found on eBay? If it is not that different, I may go ahead with one from there.
SaveSaveLadyW… I did a bit of research on these old heaters. You will really need to find someone qualified to properly vent this thing, if that is even possible. Also to clean it and check it, so it operates as well as possible with no leaks, etc. It is completely, because of the era it was manufactured, without any safe guards of any kind. For instance, a thermocouple, to shut the gas off in case the flame blows out. No pilot or piezo lighter, so you'll be lighting it manually each time for use with your face arms length from the gas supply. No fan, so you're back to a purely radiant form of heat near your entry door. And, it's inefficient and is going to throw off a lot of CO, especially as it sucks the oxygen out of your trailer. From what I can see, it's a gas flame that heats a ceramic honeycomb box… that's it. You can rely on CO detectors, but yours will be ringing a lot with this heater. These heaters were not meant to be used for hours at a time in enclosed, small sleeping quarters, like your wooden vintage trailer, but rather in small auxiliary spaces like bathrooms and hallways where old fashioned steam heat systems could not reach very well. If you really want to use this in your trailer, you have to let the CO escape and keep a supply of O2 coming in. I know some trailer manufacturers in the 50's and 60's used these units as the stock heat supply, but that was then. I currently have an old Valliant on demand water heater… and I NEVER leave it lit and I always shut the gas valve to it when not in need of hot water; I simply fire it up for shower or use at the galley sink. But that's hot water, which you don't need all night while you are asleep. Why not spend the $99 on one of the eBay Peerless offerings and just use the decorative grate and see if you can retrofit it to some other more modern and safer gas unit? 'Cuz I know it's the cool looking grate that made you fall in love with this thing! Jus' lookin' out for ya
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Post by CorvettCrzy on Apr 11, 2017 18:40:23 GMT -8
ladywendolyn Yes my heater is out. Mine does not have the ceramic pieces, but looks like the one you posted in the link prior. Most of the info I have been able to find is for a Peerless 7602, mine is a 7604. I believe the difference is natural gas vs. LP, but can't be sure because I can't find any documentation on either. Here are the pics you asked for: Top 2017-04-11_10-27-58 by Corvett crzy, on Flickr Back: 2017-04-11_10-27-39 by Corvett crzy, on Flickr Front (inside) with cover off: 2017-04-11_10-27-16 by Corvett crzy, on Flickr Front interior with front metal plate removed: 2017-04-11_10-26-57 by Corvett crzy, on Flickr As you can see, no ceramic. If you happen to come across some documentation I'd appreciate seeing it. chametzoo Really appreciate the information you are sharing, you are clearly knowledgeable about heaters, etc. Wondering if it might be possible to cut out top and attach a vent to go out the side of the camper? If I were to try to find an expert to attach the thermothingy you mentioned and possibly a vent, what type of expert would I contact, HVAC, RV repairman? Thank you for sharing your concerns to keep us safe!! 2017-04-11_10-26-10 by Corvett crzy, on Flickr
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Post by ladywendolyn on Apr 11, 2017 19:22:36 GMT -8
Thank you. CorvettCrzy for the photos. Very interesting, that yours has that half circle on top. It may be where it was connected to a vent in some trailers. I am going to take these photos to a gas fitter rv repair guy who has been in the industry a long time. I will see what he says. I have already found out, that an older furnace box like this can be retrofitted with a newer system. So that is a great suggestion chametzoo , and I am waiting to hear back from a guy who makes custom "cat" furnaces and see if he may be interested in the challenge. Just learning here. It isn't about just "looking cute" in my case in terms of what I choose. I like vintage style, but I am also well educated, I understand science and I am very careful and thorough about choices that I make. My father father was a firefighter, and had to carry children out of their burned out homes homes who didn't make it. I grew up with him coming home in tears and telling us stories of the horrors he encountered with peoples stupidity, and one of my parents best friends died two years ago when he fell asleep with a generator running on his boat that wasn't vented properly. It was devastating. So all of that plays into decisions that I make. That being said, I also try to avoid the ditch of "fear of anything vintage and propane related", or even fear of propane, devices even when they are new. These are beliefs I have encountered with people on trailer sites on Facebook who have ripped out all propane devices from their trailers out of abject fear. If that is their choice, I totally respect that. I believe that we are each entitled to live the way we choose, and I appreciate peoples sincere input into the discussion as it comes from the best motives. The reality is, that every heater and propane appliance needs to be handled extremely carefully, including the old gas stoves which people run all the time in these trailers and they are also an open gas flame giving off toxic gasses etc. So do the humphrey gas lights. I trust I will figure out my best option, and take the necessary steps to run it safely. Thanks for the input and comments...
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Post by CorvettCrzy on Apr 11, 2017 19:37:21 GMT -8
ladywendolyn Well see, fresh eyes, it's great thing. It never occurred to me that the half circle might have been a vent location. I had to run back downstairs and check it out. Other than a slight rise from the rust I can't feel any type of bump, but it doesn't seem very likely that someone could/would have set a can that shape on top of the heater inside the closet. I'm liking where this is heading and look forward to any info you come up with. If you can find someone to add a vent and update it, maybe so can I!! Might have to take a short drive north As an FYI, I found the website of the repair place in Texas who said they didn't know anything about my model but you can see some pics of the natural gas version. I really don't see any where those ceramic pieces would fit in my heater.
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Post by jazw33 on Jun 2, 2017 11:11:10 GMT -8
I am hoping to cut my closet door 3/4 down and mount the heater at the bottom of the closet. This way I have full use of the top 3/4 of the closet. This way the heat will be in the middle of the camper and hopefully keep the bunk warm. However, this is a "next year" project as she has drained my pocket book this year!!
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