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Post by bpmcgee on Aug 20, 2015 7:57:23 GMT -8
Hey RinTin, Have you ever seen LED strip lighting? It's like a ribbon of LED lights that you can cut as needed. And you can get very thin aluminum channels which are perfect for supporting and protecting it when you're using it in places like under cabinets with a surface mount. I used it in my kitchen and it's thin enough that no one even notices the strip I fastened to the under side of the window sill unless it's on. And since it's 12v, it's just perfect for a trailer! Check out www.solidapollo.comB
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Post by sglshot on Aug 21, 2015 6:04:08 GMT -8
well it look's like it's coming along nicely wish I had the money and the time to get into my 68 , someday . For now just doing what I can, did your trailer already have the cabinet above the dinette, or was it a self. It's coming along, although not as fast as I'd like. Yes, unfortunately time and money are required, in the meantime, take good care of your girl. The trailer originally had an upper cabinet above the dinette, doesn't yours? Want my old one? no mine just has a shelf. Thanks for the offer but i think i'll try to make mine like yours , i only hope it looks half as good.
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Post by RinTin on Aug 21, 2015 8:01:13 GMT -8
Hey RinTin, Have you ever seen LED strip lighting? It's like a ribbon of LED lights that you can cut as needed. And you can get very thin aluminum channels which are perfect for supporting and protecting it when you're using it in places like under cabinets with a surface mount. I used it in my kitchen and it's thin enough that no one even notices the strip I fastened to the under side of the window sill unless it's on. And since it's 12v, it's just perfect for a trailer! Check out www.solidapollo.comB Hey Brian, yes, I'm familiar with LED strip lighting, maybe on the next one. A strip along the underside of the bunk support above the rear gaucho would be pretty cool too.
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Post by danrhodes on Aug 21, 2015 17:43:51 GMT -8
RinTin can you describe how you cut your panels to fit the framing for your walls and window openings. Router? Bit?
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Post by RinTin on Aug 21, 2015 19:33:52 GMT -8
RinTin can you describe how you cut your panels to fit the framing for your walls and window openings. Router? Bit? Well Dan let's see......... The new paneling was first pre-cut to the wall height. I pulled a sheet of the old paneling and immediately replaced it with the new paneling before removing the next piece of the old. After the new paneling was fastened, holes were then drilled into the window openings. I chucked a bottom bearing guided flush trimming bit into my router, stuck the bit through the hole and routed out the window openings. Then I routed the paneling around the perimeter of the framing. Routers spin clockwise, so for the bit to cut correctly when routing out an opening you go clockwise around the inside of the opening and when routing around the outside you go counterclockwise. I think the bit I used is 3/8" diameter. The router I used was my old Porter Cable model 5182, 3hp 5-speed beast. I'd recommend at least using a mid size 1-3/4 HP router like the Porter Cable 690 although if all you have is a compact router it will likely get the job done. Plywood has a lot of glue in it that clogs up your bits if things get too hot. That's why I used the big router because it can plow through the material quickly without it heating up. Is that what you were asking?
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Post by danrhodes on Aug 21, 2015 19:37:24 GMT -8
Is that what you were asking? Totally! I'm a 2x4 woodworker... Chicken coops and kid stools... Learning this stuff is half the fun of this project. My walls are actually 3 foot wide panels, so it's going to be a little trickier and require some additional framing. How are you planning on lining up all of your new roof openings to the old skins? I've marked all my joist locations, but it seems to easy to be off by 1/4" or more lining up the front window, rear window and vent after removing the walls and reinstalling.
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Post by RinTin on Aug 25, 2015 10:47:01 GMT -8
Is that what you were asking? Totally! I'm a 2x4 woodworker... Chicken coops and kid stools... Learning this stuff is half the fun of this project. My walls are actually 3 foot wide panels, so it's going to be a little trickier and require some additional framing. How are you planning on lining up all of your new roof openings to the old skins? I've marked all my joist locations, but it seems to easy to be off by 1/4" or more lining up the front window, rear window and vent after removing the walls and reinstalling. Sorry Dan, didn't notice your question earlier. I will be getting new roof metal since I don't trust mine to be leak free. Marking the old locations and doing your best to replace the new material in the exact same position as the old is the best that can be done. Larry's method of repairing and replacing one piece at a time while leaving the rest intact would probably be the best way to go. I'll find out how well I do with that when I finish my 57 Jewel. You can error on the side of making things slightly smaller, but no larger.
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Post by RinTin on Aug 25, 2015 11:10:51 GMT -8
With the cabinet boxes installed and the interior easily accessible, this would be the best time to run the propane lines. The old copper lines were in great shape and did not leak so I saw no reason not to re-use them. Also, like many of the older metal products, the original copper lines are most likely thicker and more robust than anything available today. When the original lines were removed, they had to be cut off below the fittings in order to pull them through the floor, so I would have to re-flare the ends. I also wanted to re-locate where they passed through the floor to a better location. The old Coleman model 3815A700 gas lamp will be omitted as it’s not in that great of condition, and I don’t care much for the style of it. The trailer will have efficient 12v LED lighting so the need for gas lighting isn’t as great as it would have been in 1965. I don’t feel this will take much away from the vintage feel of this trailer. So, the only gas appliances will be the range and an older aftermarket catalytic heater. As the copper lines were routed, rubber automotive fuel and water hose were secured over them for added protection. Tighter bends were made to allow placement of the lines close to the frame and body in order to minimize exposure. The main connection was left loose for now. It will be secured once the battery tray is sorted out and installed. The kitchenette cabinet was removed for easy access and the interior fittings were located close to the floor. A capped tee fitting was used under the kitchenette in case I change my mind about the gas lamp. The kitchenette was re-set and the range placed into position to pre-fit the line that leads to it. The tall wardrobe cabinet was designed to contain the catalytic heater. However, I failed to take in to consideration how the propane line would be run to it. The opening for the heater was located as low to the floor as the installation instructions allowed and as close to the end of the cabinet as its frame would allow. I hadn’t taken into account that the gas fitting projected from the side of the heater and would not fit into the cabinet opening as I intended. Tall cabinet with heater trim ring: Heater fitting location: The heater in the above picture is not the one used in the trailer; also Teflon tape was not used. Sometimes you learn more from your mistakes than any other method. I decided to take the heater apart to see if the gas inlet fitting could be re-located. Fortunately I was able to bend the gas line to enter the back of the heater, perfectly re-positioned for my gas connections. Here you can see the new fitting location and the hole in the side from the factory. I’m sure I’m not the first person to stumble onto this solution. The original flexible hard line that connected the propane tank regulator to main gas line was used to create a service loop to make it easier to remove the heater in the future. May as well install it too. Catalytic heaters are sensitive to dust so it was also masked off for protection while the work continues.
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Post by Teachndad on Sept 5, 2015 8:31:20 GMT -8
With the frame cleaned, it was time to start prepping it for paint, or at least I thought so at the time. I blew off the dust, wiped it down with acetone and applied a rust converter. I used a product called Ospho, applied with a rag and chip brush. Ospho is phosphoric acid based and it chemically converts iron oxide (rust) into iron phosphate. When dry, it also forms an effective primer, at least that’s what the instructions say. This frame will be painted with a body matching color on the tongue and bumper, but will be black underneath. I will apply another primer under the color but just go with the Ospho under the black painted areas. There are many different coatings and methods to paint the frame. I wanted the coating to be durable, easy to apply and able to be easily touched up. After consulting our local auto paint supplier I decided to use the Martin Senour Industrial Enamel that they carried which is popular with local heavy equipment and dump truck owners. It can be sprayed or brushed and would bond well with how I had prepped the frame. I didn’t want to set up my spray equipment for this so I applied two heavy coats with a 1-1/2” natural bristle brush. The bare metal from the welding was primed, but the tongue and rear bumper were left uncoated for now as they were going to be painted to match the body color. Greg, Did you cut the acetone? Did you put anything underneath the frame when you cleaned it with acetone? Seems to me it will eat my driveway for lunch. I guess I could wash it in the street at the curb, but it would be in the sun. Anyone else can answer whose done this also. I think I read that Greg didn't clean off the Ospho after applying it. I have some Prep and etch which is a Phospuric acid prep which I think is like Ospho. Can I use that in place of the Osho? Thanks Rod
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Post by RinTin on Sept 7, 2015 6:49:55 GMT -8
Greg, Did you cut the acetone? Did you put anything underneath the frame when you cleaned it with acetone? Seems to me it will eat my driveway for lunch. I guess I could wash it in the street at the curb, but it would be in the sun. Anyone else can answer whose done this also. I think I read that Greg didn't clean off the Ospho after applying it. I have some Prep and etch which is a Phospuric acid prep which I think is like Ospho. Can I use that in place of the Osho? Thanks Rod Hi Rod, I just dampened a rag with the acetone straight from the can and wiped down the frame. No drip protection. The purpose was to just remove the dust and loose debris left after the wire wheel. Paint thinner would have worked just as well, but I was out at the time and used what I had. Unless you have an asphalt driveway and are slopping large amounts all over the place the worst you might experience is staining from drips. Ospho is phosphoric acid with a few additives, the acid is what converts the rust so I would think your Prep and Etch would do the same thing. Try it on a small section and see. Depending on your paint system, primer may be needed with it. The acid is more likely to eat up your driveway than the solvents. Since you will be doing a section at a time, just take a piece of cardboard and move it along underneath your work as you go. Wear long sleeves, gloves, eye protection and a respirator if you will be spraying it.
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Post by Teachndad on Sept 18, 2015 16:12:51 GMT -8
Greg, Garsh, they all look so purdy. BTW, thanks for the answer on my last post! Did you have the drums sand blasted or just attack them with your Grinder Beast? I was wondering how you got the drums off the axle? Did you cut off the mounting bolts on the back side or loosen with a breaker bar? Also, were the U-bolts easily found on the internet from one source? Your axle appears at first glance to be the same as mine. So, I am wondering if I can just order the U Bolts rather than have them custom made, which is what I thought had to happen. Cheers, Rod
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Post by RinTin on Sept 20, 2015 13:37:12 GMT -8
Did you have the drums sand blasted or just attack them with your Grinder Beast? I was wondering how you got the drums off the axle? Did you cut off the mounting bolts on the back side or loosen with a breaker bar? Also, were the U-bolts easily found on the internet from one source? Your axle appears at first glance to be the same as mine. So, I am wondering if I can just order the U Bolts rather than have them custom made, which is what I thought had to happen. Cheers, Rod Hey Rod, Sorry for taking so long to answer your questions, been pretty busy lately. I used my angle grinder, wire brushes, etc. to clean things up. If your drums are good, there is no need to remove them from the hubs. Just back the wheel bearing nut and washer off the end of the spindle and pull them off, may need a little wiggling to work them loose. I searched a few places and finally found my U-bolts here: www.autoandtrucksprings.com/catalog/U_Bolt_Kits-2-1.html Don't recall exactly what size I ordered, I can look it up for you if you need.
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Post by Teachndad on Oct 3, 2015 4:30:17 GMT -8
I'm back. Greg, I am now working with the axle and springs. From your previous posts, it looks like the only things that you bought new when working on the axle were the following. Please confirm or adjust my list. Forgive the lack of technical terminology. I didn't include the grease seals or new brake assemblies because I didn't think they were relevant here. List
1. Grade 8 through bolts through the center of the leaf set 2. New U- bolts 3. Spring clips 4. Zerk fittings for bolts that attach the axle to the frame 5. Multipurpose grease for between the leaves and into the zerk fittings. Questions
A. Were these all ordered through the online seller you linked to in your last post? B. In ordering the U bolts, did you need to measure the width of the axle with a set of calipers, or did you just use a tape measure? It looked like some of the U bolts could be 2/16" difference in size, so I wasn't sure if a tape measure was exact enough. C. Is the axle marked somehow so you know how to center it (left and right of center) when remounting the springs and axle to the trailer frame? D. What about placing the axle in the right place fore and aft on the leaf springs? thanks, Rod
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Post by RinTin on Oct 13, 2015 8:52:23 GMT -8
Hi Rod,
I've been on vacation, which means unplugged for the last three weeks.
Your list of what I replaced is complete, at least as far as I can remember at this moment. I am not sure if the leaf spring center bolt is grade 8, I ordered new bolts specific for this purpose.
To answer your questions:
A: All the components were purchased through autoandtrucksprings.com or etrailer.com. I don't recall exactly which parts were purchased where.
B: I just used a tape measure. On these old trailers the axles and leaf springs were typically sized in 1" or 1/2" increments, thus making them easy to measure. Don't expect the new U-bolts to fit perfectly into the plate. Mine were spread apart some at the ends and I had to squeeze them together in a vice to make them fit.
C: The drop bends at the ends of my axle begin just outside main frame rail and leaf spring perches. Due to this, my axle self centered when installing. At first I loosely assembled everything to see if there was any lateral play but it only wanted go into one position.
D: There should be a shallow hole on the top side of the axle that the end of the leaf spring center bolt fits into which aligns them fore and aft.
Hope this helps. I'll check your thread for updates.
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Post by Teachndad on Oct 15, 2015 3:59:58 GMT -8
Thanks Greg!
This really helps.
It's also timely.
My project crawls.
Rod
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