gomesie
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Post by gomesie on Dec 15, 2014 15:39:47 GMT -8
Would like to place DC circuit board under port side seat with a 110 AC outlet for a maintainer. I have seen where some have placed a battery here also. Seems to me the battery should be in a sealed vented to the outside compartment protected from any sparks. My lance truck camper was set up so. I would like to build a sealed compartment under the seat. question is is this OK or should I just place it out on the frame?
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Post by John Palmer on Dec 15, 2014 16:14:57 GMT -8
I place mine "inside" under a bed or seat, and "inside a battery box" that's vented to the outside. I'm not dead yet!
Some will tell you about all the horror stories that it's bad, but just don't allow any sparks near the battery "during, or after" it's been charging. A battery explosion is VERY BAD, so take the precautions!
I'm not a fan of tongue mounted batteries due to theft, and safety. I worked on a trailer that was involved in an accident. Both the propane tank, and the battery were ripped off the trailer during the crash. The tank valve was torn out of the tank, they were lucky the propane did not ignite with the sparks from the battery.
To make the matter even worse, the tow truck driver put the cracked and acid leaking battery on their new Marmoleum floor!
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Post by gomesie on Dec 15, 2014 17:40:34 GMT -8
Thanks John, just wanted some conformation wasn't messing up. After reading the battery explosion horror stories from Larry and Big Bill wanted to make sure. Will build a vented battery box under seat Am.
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Post by John Palmer on Dec 15, 2014 19:08:52 GMT -8
Thanks John, just wanted some conformation wasn't messing up. After reading the battery explosion horror stories from Larry and Big Bill wanted to make sure. Will build a vented battery box under seat Am.
Here's my take on the battery issue.
When a lead acid battery is recharged, it produces hydrogen gas which is very explosive if ignited with just a spark. The gas "hangs in the enclosed areas". I worked in a new car dealership for seven years doing tune up and electrical repairs, and was a service manager in a motorsports dealership that handled thousands of lead batteries every year. Fortunately, I have seen only one battery explode in the past fifty years of playing with Hot Rods/ski boats/Jet Skis/ ATV's/motorcycles/race cars/travel trailers/etc. In that case (it occurred about 1968) we had a very large heavy duty battery mounted inside the rear trunk of a drag race car for weight transfer. We had the battery charger turned up on high with a heavy charge going into the battery, producing lots of gas, and in a very confined area. When we disconnected the battery charger, the battery exploded because the hydrogen gas was trapped in an area under the cars inner trunk/fender. This could have been corrected by turning the charger off before disconnecting the cables. It would also be a good idea to use an air hose to gently blow/vent the fumes out of an enclosed area before removing the battery.
I use small 2.5MA battery maintainers to recharge my 12V battery in the travel trailers. I have never seen, or smelled any excess fumes produced by these small chargers. I'm sure they produce fumes, but it's just a very small amount. These "full time" small maintainers do a great job of keeping the battery charged, they just take a longer time to get up to full charge.
I use a separate fuse panel, and also a separate ground panel for trailer wiring. The battery is "hard wired" from the positive, and negative terminals directly to these two panels. The positive cable has a circuit breaker in line. Any time that its necessary to manually disconnect the battery, simply do so "from the fuse panel first" and any spark that might occur will not be near the battery, or near any "possible hydrogen fumes". I feel the dangers can be safely managed, as long as you understand how, and why a battery might explode. It's about how you work around them.
Acid Glass Matt (AGM) batteries have the same hydrogen gas problem, but they are not as good as a normal deep cycle lead acid battery for our purposes. IMO, the dry cell batteries are over priced, and over rated, but they do not "off gas", so that's a good thing.
I'm very hesitant to give any electrical advice, because we have so many different levels of knowledge on this site. It's very important when working with anything safety related that the person doing the work have a good basic understanding of what can happen if not done correctly. Welding, Suspension, Brakes, Electrical, Tires, Propane, are all areas that require a good basic knowledge before you start slicing and dicing.
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Post by vikx on Dec 15, 2014 21:53:08 GMT -8
Congrats gomesie, for wanting to "know"! Very important info here.
I usually put my batteries on the tongue and have had very good luck. Needless to say, they are well anchored and *MY* tanks won't go rolling down the freeway... (inside joke between me and John: we are both familiar with the wreck)
Theft is an issue for batteries. Heck, even dead ones are now stolen for cores. As long as an inside battery is vented and has it's own sealed box/compartment, not a problem.
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Post by gomesie on Dec 16, 2014 4:54:26 GMT -8
Thanks for th detailed explanation.
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