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Post by wolvenwood on Aug 27, 2014 10:56:38 GMT -8
Talked with the really nice lady at a Tulsa area supplier today. I am looking at them because they are only 4 hours from our home near KC and we can avoid trucking costs if we run down and haul the product home ourselves.
A couple things are going to make re-skinning and re-roofing the '67 NuWa more challenging/expensive than we thought, depending on how we go.
The roof: We can either buy a single sheet of bare aluminum 103" wide x any length or get a seamed roof. We would cut the bare aluminum to width and paint it ourselves. We'd also have to put s-locks on ourselves, or come up with some other watertight method of joining to the lower panels front and back. Painting options would be to spray with our own rig or have a pro do it. We are already planning on painting the turquoise accent panels, so I suppose this option just makes that part of the project bigger, and a different color. Of course it's aluminum so we don't HAVE to paint it...
Upsides to a seamed roof is no painting and s-locks can be factory made. Downside, more expensive, maybe by a lot. But living in the stormy, often wet midwest, I am hugely averse to roof seams, so am still leaning to the seamless roof, even with the additional up-front labor.
As for the sides, the surprise was that they don't like to fabricate longish panels at greater widths than 21". I need lengths between 10' and 11' on the the driver side wall, so we would have a couple more horizontal joins than we'd planned. No biggie, just a little more carpentry for stapling to. I still prefer that to vertical seams.
We did not talk price yet as it's all by square foot and I don't have my measurements complete yet.
Thoughts?
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Post by SusieQ on Aug 27, 2014 11:01:04 GMT -8
My first thought is that you probably don't want to do S locks yourself.
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Post by wolvenwood on Aug 27, 2014 11:21:48 GMT -8
Yeah, I don't WANT to, but seeing as I'm planning to have my roof metal end midway down the front an back window, a'la Mobiltec, I'll only need locks for about 15" on each side, not the entire 84" width. But before I do anything I'm going to practice on some scrap and see if I can make a passable s-lock.
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Post by John Palmer on Aug 27, 2014 18:42:35 GMT -8
Talked with the really nice lady at a Tulsa area supplier today. I am looking at them because they are only 4 hours from our home near KC and we can avoid trucking costs if we run down and haul the product home ourselves. A couple things are going to make re-skinning and re-roofing the '67 NuWa more challenging/expensive than we thought, depending on how we go. The roof: We can either buy a single sheet of bare aluminum 103" wide x any length or get a seamed roof. We would cut the bare aluminum to width and paint it ourselves. We'd also have to put s-locks on ourselves, or come up with some other watertight method of joining to the lower panels front and back. Painting options would be to spray with our own rig or have a pro do it. We are already planning on painting the turquoise accent panels, so I suppose this option just makes that part of the project bigger, and a different color. Of course it's aluminum so we don't HAVE to paint it... Upsides to a seamed roof is no painting and s-locks can be factory made. Downside, more expensive, maybe by a lot. But living in the stormy, often wet midwest, I am hugely averse to roof seams, so am still leaning to the seamless roof, even with the additional up-front labor. As for the sides, the surprise was that they don't like to fabricate longish panels at greater widths than 21". I need lengths between 10' and 11' on the the driver side wall, so we would have a couple more horizontal joins than we'd planned. No biggie, just a little more carpentry for stapling to. I still prefer that to vertical seams. We did not talk price yet as it's all by square foot and I don't have my measurements complete yet. Thoughts? My thought is you are NOT talking to "a real" RV metal supplier. A RV metal supplier will have no problem supplying you with any length metal you desire, and it comes standard in 48" widths. You do not want to do your own "S" Locks. You want the "S" Locks done at the roof factory.
The 103" rolled aluminum is made for the roofs of semi truck trailers. I have used it on two trailers and would not recommend you go that route for several reasons.
The cost of the RV metal is about $16 per linear foot, and the Semi truck roof skin is about $13 per linear foot so it's about the same in the big picture. Note, a linear foot of "RV metal" is 12" by 48" of material. They will sell you narrow strips but will charge you for the 48" roll size. The 103" metal is .040" thick, and the RV metal is .025" to .030" thick. The semi truck roof skin is available to you "locally" at any large semi trailer repair shop.
There's nothing wrong with a quality seamed RV roof, just don't buy a trailer roof skin with the crinkly seams because it looks crappy. You want the smooth flat seams.
Call another place, before you buy.
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Post by vikx on Aug 27, 2014 22:19:25 GMT -8
Ditto what John says..
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Post by wolvenwood on Aug 28, 2014 4:37:10 GMT -8
The problem is that there does not seem to be any other options in the center of the country. The shipping from Cali is a financial dealbreaker. These folks can make the patterns we need. I left their name out of my original post. It was Macs Aluminum in Broken Arrow. I was really surprised by the 21" deal. She said long lengths at full width " don't work out." Also, she said the charge is by square footage, not linear feet. Has anyone else on the forum dealt with Mac's?
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Post by bigbill on Aug 28, 2014 5:14:14 GMT -8
The thicker metal sounds like a better deal BUT it is much harder to bend and fold over the edge. you will have to cut it a lot to get a smooth nice finished appearance with no humpy flat spots.
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Post by wolvenwood on Aug 28, 2014 6:05:02 GMT -8
I've put out the word looking for other better suppliers closer to home. Hopefully something will turn up. If not, we'll just save our pennies and use Hemet Valley.
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Post by mobiltec on Aug 28, 2014 18:44:32 GMT -8
I know the shipping is the only thing that get's in the way of metal coming from Hemet Valley. But like John says there is really nothing wrong with a seamed roof. The seams are not the first place a trailer leaks. Matter of fact, not only are they the last places to leak, most times they never leak. Trailers always leak at the vents and AC units first. On newer trailers the corners leak along with slide outs first. Save your pennies for the HV roof if you can. And don't forget I have video on how to install it.
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Post by John Palmer on Aug 28, 2014 20:10:45 GMT -8
The thicker metal sounds like a better deal BUT it is much harder to bend and fold over the edge. you will have to cut it a lot to get a smooth nice finished appearance with no humpy flat spots. Bill, It's not that hard to work with the thicker skin material. It's still very soft, easy to cut with hand snips, easy to bend and staple, and the difference is .030" to .040", or to say it another way, it's just over three human hairs (3 x .003") thicker, not a very big deal.
Without getting into all the details, I have done two teardrops, and one 13' canned ham with it, and I would not use it again for a couple of reasons. The material is not high quality. It has irregularities rolled into it during the manufacturing process. If you want to leave it unfinished, it looks like KA-KA! No matter how smooth you think the roof/front/back framing was, you will get what I call "puckers" at the windows when you try to do a 20'+ "one piece" roof/front/back without using the standard "S" Locks. The cosmetic quality would not be a problem on the roof of a semi trailer, which is the purpose for this material. This 103" semi trailer material is sold without any coating. The mill finish RV material (both sides and roofs) have a clear coating to prevent oxidation.
The "smooth" seamed replacement roof skins from Hemet Valley are custom made to your exact specifications and cannot be beat, IMO.
I might feel less strongly about this, if I was not able to make the 200 mile round trip to "will call" them from Hemet Valley. I know both freight cost, and shipping damage are big issues for some of our builders.
There's never a easy answer.
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Post by bigbill on Aug 29, 2014 5:15:24 GMT -8
John I reread my post and I wasn't suggesting they buy the truck roof What I meant was the heavier metal won't fold and over and lap as well. I am fully aware how thick .010 to .015 is but when you come around a radius if you aren't experienced you can get minor flat spots instead of a smooth bend and if you allow the aluminum to over lap on the sides it makes a larger gap for water infiltration in the future so you must be more careful when folding over also the thicker Alum no mater how soft won't stretch as easy. Also if you use a folded lock seam of any type it will be much thicker causing a greater gap for the J rail to go over. I have a lot of experience with the aluminum on Semi Trailers as I worked for one of the worlds largest manufactures of them several years ago.
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Post by wolvenwood on Aug 29, 2014 6:19:44 GMT -8
John and Bigbill: Thanks to both of you for all your thoughts on this part of our build. It will be the most expensive item of the project, so we want to do it right the first time. I will be on vacation for a few weeks, but when I get back I will be getting in touch with the folks I have found and get some prices. You have pretty much convinced me that if nothing else, Hemet Valley will probably be the source for my smooth seamed roof. I may still economize on shipping by using Mac's for my side panels, even with their weird 21" limit on long panels. Again, thanks for all your help on this and other threads.
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Post by John Palmer on Aug 29, 2014 7:30:56 GMT -8
John and Bigbill: Thanks to both of you for all your thoughts on this part of our build. It will be the most expensive item of the project, so we want to do it right the first time. I will be on vacation for a few weeks, but when I get back I will be getting in touch with the folks I have found and get some prices. You have pretty much convinced me that if nothing else, Hemet Valley will probably be the source for my smooth seamed roof. I may still economize on shipping by using Mac's for my side panels, even with their weird 21" limit on long panels. Again, thanks for all your help on this and other threads. The 21" thing has been bugging me! LOL
You need to ask them if they only stock 24" rolls, or have the standard 48" rolls of aluminum siding?
The only thing I can think, is they only have 24" rolls, and by the time you loose three inches making the "S" lock edge, you down to their 21" width. Even when you buy the 48" width, you will not get a 48" panel out of it because of the loss for the seam. It's also the reason that I do not order my metal made with the auto edge fold at the bottom. I do my own bottom edge with polished aluminum angle.
The width of the metal has no bearing on putting the edge seam on it. It is installed by a rolling process, not by hand with a sheet metal brake, like a heating and air conditioning shop would use.
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Post by wolvenwood on Aug 29, 2014 8:08:02 GMT -8
Yeah, John. It seems rinky-dink to me too. I'm really backing off using them for this project.
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