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Post by nccamper on Jul 11, 2014 19:50:15 GMT -8
I took the skin off today and was surprised by a few things. The water stains on the inside made me think there would be a lot more rot. But the wood on the side facing out looks much better than the inside. Surprisingly, not rotted through anywhere. Maybe I shouldn't be so fast ripping it out? I've read on the here on the forum that oak makes a good replacement for Ashe. Other people prefer birch. Has anybody stained either to match the light finish in the Compact? Or should I just use amber shellac? Last question, as you can see the entire bottom board on the old skin is actually three pieces connected to nothing. Is this normal? Or did somebody mess with it over the last 52 years? On a side note, having cover to work under (last photo) really makes a world of difference. I'm so glad I built it. If you don't have a place to work, this is a good way to go. Not perfect, but better than being rained on...as I found out yesterday.
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Post by SusieQ on Jul 11, 2014 19:54:39 GMT -8
The lower part of my front skin was connected to nothing but the back skin was attached to a 1x3 that was nailed into the ends of the floor joists. There was a 1x2 above it over the bottom of the paneling. Both of these boards were completely rotted.
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Post by nccamper on Jul 12, 2014 3:26:15 GMT -8
The lower part of my front skin was connected to nothing but the back skin was attached to a 1x3 that was nailed into the ends of the floor joists. There was a 1x2 above it over the bottom of the paneling. Both of these boards were completely rotted. Interesting. I guess the Ashe panelling and skin hold the camper together? The side (back) framing seems to be pieced together as well. I've read on this forum that it's common, but it's still a shock to see for the first time. What the Hay, it's worked for 52 years so they must have known how much support was enough. I still plan to beef it up a little.
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Post by Ten on Jul 12, 2014 4:51:49 GMT -8
One thing that most fail to "see" is that the curve of the wall itself is the biggest factor in the strength of the wall. The bend in the wood, tied together with the brakes in the aluminum and its curve, make for an amazing amount of tensile strength that does not require a lot of extra support and weight. When you start to take it apart as you show here, it loses that strength and the lack of framing seems like a huge mistake. When the interior and exterior components are added together, it is quite strong. I also believe there needed to be some "give" and "flex" for the hammering they take going down the road and adding too much to the frame will defeat that and make it more subject to breaking something over time. I am not an engineer nor claim any expertise, but that is how it seems to me.
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Post by SusieQ on Jul 12, 2014 6:06:06 GMT -8
The back panel is also nailed to the bench frame.
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Post by jannica on Jul 20, 2014 7:56:20 GMT -8
nccamper - The back end of your Compact looks very similar to how mine looked! And mine also just had a couple of boards across the back to hold everything in place. I'm now in the process of putting the new skin on, and trying my best to replicate what was done before, only a little better (I hope) . I ended up replacing all of my wood paneling with birch because I like the grain better and wanted to use amber shellac. My Compact had ash I'm pretty sure, and it was coated in this yellowish polyurethane varnish. I tried to sand it a little and then gave up because I decided I'd rather have all of the wood grain match. Here's a before shot of the interior. You can see the yellow varnish except where the PO painted the insides of the shelves white and also replaced one of the ceiling panels with some kind of paneling, not sure what kind. I had already removed the benches and table as you can see. And here's what the exterior of the rear paneling looked like. Gross! Lots of rot around the edges. Here's what the exterior paneling looked like after I replaced everything. I had a welder add two additional steel beams to extend off the back for a bumper (will be added soon). I also added some aluminum flashing across the bottom to hopefully prevent water from getting up under the skin. Because of the steel beams, I couldn't add one solid piece of wood across the bottom, so I had to cut it into three sections and attach it to the wood as best I could. You can't see the bottom piece of wood as well in this pic because I painted the undercarriage and all the wood along the bottom with fence post paint so it's black. Please ignore my crude cutting of the flashing, I went back and cleaned that up later. haha And here are a couple of interior pics. Still finishing the bed and benches area, but you get the idea! I had to build a new shelf so that I could have the scalloped one like in the original Shastas. The previous owner took the original one apart and added an ugly addition to make the shelf larger that I promptly threw out. I don't have a nice covered carport like yours, so that blue thing you see is the tarp I have to keep over Junebug all the time. haha
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Post by Hamlet on Jul 20, 2014 14:23:08 GMT -8
That is some gorgeous birch. Thanks for the pics, you're doing a beautiful job.
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Post by jannica on Jul 20, 2014 16:19:04 GMT -8
Thanks Hamlet! I had very difficult day today securing the new roof skin, so it's nice to hear a compliment. This is one of those days where I'm questioning my sanity. haha I think putting on the new roof was the hardest task yet!
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Post by SusieQ on Jul 20, 2014 17:05:26 GMT -8
It really is beautiful, Jannica!
The back of mine looks like yours (surprise), except I have a board where you have flashing. I tried to link my pics but Flickr is not cooperating. I have pics of what's left of the boards I took off.
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Post by SusieQ on Jul 20, 2014 20:10:55 GMT -8
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Post by nccamper on Jul 21, 2014 5:04:48 GMT -8
Jannica, Your camper looks amazing. What a great job you did on it.
Your post came at the perfect time. I've been playing around with the back panel of our Shasta compact and ran into the same polyurethane issue. That yellowish polyurethane seems to be what they put on everything back then. I've sanded a lot of Poly in my day, but nothing is tougher than this stuff. It simply won't come off unless you grind away most of the veneer.
I played around yesterday with every variation I could think of to match the yellowish tint. Impossible. And my interior trim won't survive a heavy grinding to remove this yellowish finish. Which brings me to the big question: paint or don't paint.
Since my wife and I have decided that are larger camper, a 1962 Forester, is a better fit for us, the Compact will just be a fun filler while I work on the Forester for about six months. So doing the full rebuild (like you) would be too much work for a camper we don't intend to keep long-term. Although I hate to paint over Ashe.
i'll probably be thrown off this forum even typing the word "paint". But I have to admit some of the interior paint jobs look pretty good.
Decisions, decisions!
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Post by nccamper on Jul 21, 2014 5:08:51 GMT -8
It really is beautiful, Jannica! The back of mine looks like yours (surprise), except I have a board where you have flashing. I tried to link my pics but Flickr is not cooperating. I have pics of what's left of the boards I took off. You replaced your back panel with 1/4 birch? Kelfing was tough? Finding 1/8 inch is not happening in NC. Even Hood Distributors doesn't carry it anymore. Folks on the west coast, better stock up!
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Post by SusieQ on Jul 21, 2014 6:21:11 GMT -8
Kerfing was just time consuming. I initially tried installing the back panel without kerfing and it just wasn't happening, it wanted to crack and just refused to curve at the bottom. The top panel I kerfed and it rolled like a roll top desk with no problem. The biggest problem I have run into using the 1/4" is of course it gave me an extra 1/8" thickness which doesn't seem like much but it is. It has been a real challenge making my old skins "fit." It would be no problem with new skins.
I decided at the last minute to replace my front lower inside panel. Since the only place it shows is in the closet and under the sink, I used Lowe's utility plywood 1/4" (it's really a little less in mm) and it fit and handled beautifully. I was hoping one day to find 1/8" and redo it all again with new skins. I think my life would have been much easier if had found 1/8" from the beginning.
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Post by jannica on Jul 21, 2014 7:22:23 GMT -8
Thanks everyone for the compliments on my Compact! It has been a long road, but I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. And I guess living in Houston has its advantages because there's a specialty hardwood store only a couple of miles from my house that carries an endless supply of every kind of 1/8" plywood you can imagine! I had no trouble getting all of the 1/8" birch I needed for this project. Unfortunately, I had a lot of trouble in other areas, so I guess at least this was one less thing to worry about! nccamper - Don't worry about getting thrown off the forum, I know I'm not offended by painted interiors. I don't blame you either, especially if you have more than one camper. I thought seriously about painting mine, there are some really cute ones that are painted. It sure would have saved me a lot of time! I just finished folding the new skin over and stapling down this weekend. I still need to finish the very bottom of the rear skin, it's not completely secured and trimmed. I also need to finish cutting out the windows and then installing the j-rail and trim along the bottom. Overall though, it's really coming together! Below is a picture of the current state. You can see that I left the protective film on just to keep it from getting scratches while I continue to work. I will remove it once I'm ready to do the big reveal. haha I think everyone will need sunglasses to look at the aluminum because it will be soo shiny!! You can get a sneak peek at the mirror finish where I pulled a little section of the film away.
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Post by nccamper on Jul 21, 2014 9:29:11 GMT -8
"You can get a sneak peek at the mirror finish where I pulled a little section of the film away" What can I say...wow! That kind of work can only be done on a camper you plan to keep... Or sell for very high$$$ It breaks my heart to consider paint, especially when I see how your wood looks. But the yellowish stain seems to be mixed with the ancient poly. I tried aggressively sanding the panel I plan to replace to see if it would work. In a word...no. If you leave even the slightest trace of the yellowish poly it blotches. So you did the right thing replacing the panels.
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