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Post by hotrodjim on Jul 30, 2024 16:31:10 GMT -8
Hello VTT!
Thanks you in advance
Perhaps this was a mistake as during the disassembly of our 1956 Terry I had separated the roof at the lap joints.
Now I’m having a terrible time putting these back together.
Does anyone have any suggestions.
I have tried bending the lap joints seems to a 30-45 degree angle and I just can’t seem to get the seems to hold.
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Post by Teachndad on Jul 31, 2024 6:30:18 GMT -8
Hi Jim,
Can you post any pix? Are you talking about bending the skin back in place?
If I am understanding your question correctly, and I may not be.😁
Is your trailer frame leveled out? You might also try adjusting your corkscrew jacks by raising or lowering a corner(s) incrementally.
Slight movement in one corner can effect the trailer in different places.
Rod
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Post by John Palmer on Jul 31, 2024 8:14:44 GMT -8
Hello VTT! Thanks you in advance Perhaps this was a mistake as during the disassembly of our 1956 Terry I had separated the roof at the lap joints. Now I’m having a terrible time putting these back together. Does anyone have any suggestions. I have tried bending the lap joints seems to a 30-45 degree angle and I just can’t seem to get the seems to hold. I see two different issues. One, is that a photo or two would greatly help get you a better answer to your question. And two, the terminology used in discussing these topics is very important. We all need to be on the same page when giving/receiving advice. Rod is correct with his suggestions "if you're asking about getting the roof skin re-connected at the edges. I took your question a completely different way. My interpretation of your question was that you "unfolded the roof panel joining seams (ACME seams). If that is correct, it's time to start thinking about a new roof panel. I think a good place to start is to visit the Hemet Valley RV Siding's site and review the pictures showing the different styles of RV seams. For example, most RV roof panels are made up of 48" aluminum strips placed crosswise. They are joined together with what is called an ACME seam. This is a "factory seam", it does not leak, and it will not come apart. At least it will not come apart without permanent damage. Another type of RV seam is called a "Lap Joint". It is less common than an ACME seam. You might get a lap joint apart without too much damage. The issue is they used a urethane/butyl sealer between the pieces, and it's really stuck. It helps to use a heat gun, but it's hard to keep a large area hot enough to pull it apart. IMO, when working with a Lap Joint, do not take it apart, just remove the screws/brads/nails, and remove the entire section, do not separate the aluminum panels that are glued together. Most Stick and Tin trailers use an "S-Lock" seam to join the sides. front. and back panels together. It's not a structural seam, but at least it's easy to work with, and make repairs, and panel replacements. The most common obstacle a new restorer runs into is not "unfolding the roof panel edges completely" before the panel is removed. If the edges have any bend left in the edge, "they will tear" as soon as you move the skin or roll up the roof skin. Please let us know what you're trying to da. John Palmer
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Post by vikx on Jul 31, 2024 12:41:44 GMT -8
If you're talking about the roof, you will need to buy new. The old sealed seams will not go "back together" without leaks.
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Post by mobiltec on Aug 1, 2024 7:29:40 GMT -8
Agree with Vikx. And I think the seams you are talking about are Zfold seams. I experienced those on the 63 Traveleze front and rear skins and on the 59 Forester. You will never get a good seal again once disonnected as this seam is put together with a special machine. ACME seams are the most leak proof seams available. Hemet Valley RV and Siding makes new roofs using the ACME seams. Here's a short video showing how new roofs are made.
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Post by hotrodjim on Aug 1, 2024 14:18:12 GMT -8
I went to the Hemet Valley RV Siding's web site and looked at the siding and none of the joints looked like what I have.
It looks very much like a flat lock seam.
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Post by hotrodjim on Aug 1, 2024 14:29:16 GMT -8
I think my issue is that the roof panels keep sagging as I try to join the panels. I’m going to try and use double sided tape and a 1x1 board to keep it from sagging. The lap joints look like a (U ) on both panels and they lock together.
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Post by hotrodjim on Aug 3, 2024 18:49:03 GMT -8
As much as I really didn’t want to do this. I ended up using aluminum pop rivets to get my lap joints tight together and lay down.
A new roof was just out of the question with our budget and all the time we had spent stripping and getting the old paint off.
I put some butyl tape in the lap joints as I believe the original was that way when it came apart.
It really looks good and I believe it won’t leak.
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Post by John Palmer on Aug 3, 2024 19:57:01 GMT -8
As much as I really didn’t want to do this. I ended up using aluminum pop rivets to get my lap joints tight together and lay down. A new roof was just out of the question with our budget and all the time we had spent stripping and getting the old paint off. I put some butyl tape in the lap joints as I believe the original was that way when it came apart. It really looks good and I believe it won’t leak. Olympic Rivets are installed just like POP Rivets BUT HAVE NO HOLE to leak water. They look just like buck rivets after they are installed and cut. The Butyl Tape goes between the panel sheets, not over the sheets. The cheapest way to replace a roof panel is with the semi-trailer 104" .040" rolled aluminum available "locally" at any truck trailer repair shop. It's in the $15 to $20 per linear foot range. The real savings is that it can be "will called" locally saving the crating and truck shipping costs. If you do not have access to an eight-foot metal brake to bend the "S" Locks, just run it one piece from front to back. My first 1953 Aljoa 13' trailer was done that way 15 years ago, and not one person ever noticed it was done in one piece of aluminum. John Palmer
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Post by hotrodjim on Aug 4, 2024 4:14:17 GMT -8
Thanks John
I’ve never heard of Olympic rivets before till you mentioned them. They look great, but the cost of the shaver 😳 wow.
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Post by John Palmer on Aug 4, 2024 8:43:25 GMT -8
Thanks John I’ve never heard of Olympic rivets before till you mentioned them. They look great, but the cost of the shaver 😳 wow. If you don't already have an Airstream/Spartan/Boles Aero/Silver Streak/Streamliner/ETC. buddy that owns a shaver, then you just rent the shaver from Aero Parts. You will never wear one out even in commercial use shaving aluminum. John Palmer
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