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Post by hotrodjim on May 23, 2024 3:36:41 GMT -8
Hello VTT
We have installed some peel and stick flooring in our camper and in some areas it not sealing well.
We are still working on the camper and have not even used the camper yet.
The floor is all brand new wood and we did prime the sub floor before installing the peel and stick as recommended.
I see that there is a product that you can use to seal the tile and it looks like a water base sealer.
Anyone have any experience with this type of product and does it work.
I really don’t want to use caulking on the seams.
Thanks Jim
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Post by John Palmer on May 23, 2024 6:59:53 GMT -8
A sealer will not address an adhesion issue.
The way you asked the question it sounds to me like you have some loose tiles?
John Palmer
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Post by vikx on May 23, 2024 12:01:04 GMT -8
I inherited a Shasta Deluxe with lots of new parts, including Armstrong peel and stick tiles. I installed the flooring and it seemed to stick fine. The first rally, the flooring lifted where the sun hit... such a huge disappointment.
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Post by hotrodjim on May 23, 2024 13:51:45 GMT -8
Yes !
That exactly what is going on. Brand new peel and stick flooring and we have not even used the camper yet, still working on it . It’s lifting up in areas because of the sun. Any suggestions.
I was thinking maybe squeezing some contact cement under the tile and putting a weight on it.
Wife is not happy about this product. She spent a good amount of a weekend laying down the floor to have it lifted.
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Post by vikx on May 23, 2024 15:45:15 GMT -8
I knocked $300 off the purchase price of the trailer...
Honestly, I would replace the flooring. I know it's a pain and the work involved, but it will continue to lift.
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Post by John Palmer on May 23, 2024 18:02:08 GMT -8
The interior of a camper/travel trailer is a very harsh environment. The temperature swings are far more than in any home. It can be "below freezing" because we see many frozen and broken water pipes. A closed-up trailer in the hot desert sun could see 150 degrees of interior temperature. No home ever sees a 120-degree temperature swing.
Combine the temperature swing with the swing in humidity from a rainy cold Oregon coast, to the hot dry (no humidity) of a Southwest desert, and you have the one/two punch.
The third punch is that the door is usually "always open" and you have direct sunlight with a very high surface temperature. Peal and Stick anything is not manufactured for these extreme conditions. It's just the wrong product for this application. Sure, some get by with it, but far more fight with these lifting or moving problems
My guess is you need to do some more investigation and see if the adhesive is separating from the tile, or the subfloor. If the adhesion problem is that it's lifting from the subfloor, I would lift the tiles by maybe two rows at a time a reglue them to the subfloor with normal commercial tile glue. But if the separation is between the tile and their original stick'em glue, I would replace the entire floor tiling because you will likely never get all of the stick'em off and every time they get warm, they will lift.
While we are talking "doom and gloom" be aware that todays cost for quality tile adhesive is crazy. I pay close to $100/gallon for the glue I use on my new Marmoleum sheet floors.
Contact cement as the name implies, has to be applied to both surfaces, allowed to fully dry "before" you stick the two surfaces together. I do not believe Contact Cement will give you a satisfactory solution to the problem.
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Post by cathleen on Aug 21, 2024 4:51:01 GMT -8
I had this same problem. I knew better than to use peel and stick tile--it's generally pretty lousy and tends to lift easily with changes in temp and humidity, but I found a faux terrazzo print that I fell in love with and really wanted to make it work. I used primer specifically for self-stick tile, on a brand new subfloor with all the seams sealed, and my tiles still wouldn't stick.
I ended up peeling the whole floor up a few rows at a time and using VCT adhesive (TEC brand from Menards, $14 gallon was more than enough for my 16' camper) before reapplying. It was a pain in the butt, but it's been a few weeks of weather all over the place and it seems to be sticking well now. Hopefully it keeps sticking, but time will tell. If I had to do it over again, I definitely wouldn't not have used self-stick. :/
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Post by WhitneyK on Aug 21, 2024 18:37:27 GMT -8
Unfortunately you pretty well have to go through a similar process with the peel & stick as you do the VCT and there is not much cost savings. I cheaped out and did p&s on the floor of our teardrop and it's holding up fine, then again, it's got a queen sized mattress holding it down too. Can't even see the edges, just wall to wall mattress. Wouldn't do it again though. Good thing Dad's not around, he'd be embarrassed with me. It's not like my family didn't do floor covering for over 50 yrs or anything...
Just my ideas & opinions, it sure wasn't a good one... Whitney
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