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Post by r2lihou on Apr 10, 2024 14:40:08 GMT -8
I'm a newbie to the vintage trailer scene but have quickly realized this isn't something to leap into lightly. Like classic cars, most enthusiasts do it for the love - not for finding a 'smoking deal' that gets them into the kind of cute trailer they've seen all over Instagram. With that said - I'm still strongly considering diving in. Why? Well, I want to enjoy camping in one of course, but I also quite enjoy 'projects'. I'm a handy guy, enjoy woodworking in my free time, and working on a trailer seems right up my alley as far as projects go. The other side of this coin is my wife - she's not a huge fan of 'projects', so convincing her to let me take up space with a total tear down / build up camper project is going to be tough. Truthfully, she'd rather I just buy a Boler and be done with it. And I do like Bolers, but there's something really appealing about old tin & stick trailers. So we've arrived at my dilemma, balancing my desires for a 'project' camper, with my wife's desire to simply start camping. So essentially that means I need to find a camper that's good enough to use for at least one season and (likely) won't require a total down to frame rebuild in the immediate future. But as I've come to understand, you never know what's lurking behind those walls and the only way you'll truly know is taking off the skins and inspecting - which you can't do prior to buying. To that end I've found 2 options. 1.) A 1965 Shasta Airflyte. www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1689617349This one is pricier at $7800 Canadian. (although the seller is willing to come down to $7000). Its had recent work done to it - apparently by RV technicians. New water lines and electrical. New exterior paint (not by RV techs). Frame inspections etc. The interior is still in a state of semi put togetherness. The down side is there are no propane lines in it anymore, they removed them. (not sure if that was just where they entered the cabin or from underneath as well) If its not hiding anything - and that's a big IF - its a decent price. And without me seeing it in person, seems like it could be a good option to start camping in. 2.) A 69/70 Aloha. www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1460054067932064/?mibextid=79PoIi&rdid=U4fhPo4q5j7EflIfThis one is inexpensive - at $2300 Canadian. But it definitely seems like more of a 'project camper'. There's a section of tin in the front that has been replaced and patched, which likely indicates a prior problem. The seller claims it doesn't leak but he also said he 'repaired' some minor water damage in the rear. But its such a small investment that even if you got a season out of it, you could turn around and sell it for $1000 next year and be fine. Or keep it and dive in to major repairs the following year. Because my guess is it probably needs them. I've seen this year of Aloha restored and they're quite nice actually. I also found a very rough old 58' Field & Stream for $1000ish bucks that I really really want to rebuild. But its a massive project and no way is it going to happen for this coming camping season. So not sure if I can get the wife to sign off on this one. www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/349455524565753/?mibextid=79PoIi&rdid=855jpEVZRqVWaf8rAnyways, let me know what you think of my options! Or tell me to abandon ship! Either way, I'd just like to hear the thoughts of those who have gone down this road before. Thanks.
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Post by newin62 on Apr 10, 2024 16:00:30 GMT -8
The Airflyte looks more like a 58 or 59 and unfortunately has been ruined. The painted interior is covering water damage and the modified interior is now missing many important parts. This one needs to be completely rebuilt much like the other two and I don't think it's with worth any more than a completely rotten specimen that has all the original parts.
I would run from this one at that price.
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Post by r2lihou on Apr 10, 2024 16:16:03 GMT -8
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Post by newin62 on Apr 10, 2024 17:45:34 GMT -8
Hopefully others will chime in but to me this one looks 100% better than the last one. All the parts are there and the interior is original and intact. There will be rot but localized rot can be fixed and it is much less work than totally rebuilding the trailer. Search for the Mobiltec series called "Restoring the 59 Shasta" which he posted about 10 years ago. It will give you a good idea of what you are up against. Yes it may still be overpriced but it is certainly something worth restoring.
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Post by nccamper on Apr 10, 2024 21:06:52 GMT -8
Welcome!
I agree with newin62, the painted interior is a sure sign somebody is hiding something. In my opinion, it's ruined as a restoration candidate.
The last Shasta is by far the best, but it's a project camper not something you can spend a few weekends on and hit the open road.
A camper in good enough shape to travel the highway and sleep comfortably in will cost you more. A project camper will take time but it's very rewarding.
If money is not a problem, and you have the space, maybe buy a newer soulless camper to use now, and a classic vintage camper to rebuild. Win/win?
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Post by John Palmer on Apr 11, 2024 10:02:53 GMT -8
Your are at a great junction in the road. Many times, if we were all honest with ourselves, we would like to roll the clock back and be at the junction your now at, and if we had the knowledge gained by making mistakes, we both could have a better result.
I really like the idea of buying a modern trailer now to go camping. If you buy "used", and then sell it "used" the cost to use it is minimal. New RV's have a large depreciation. Study the vintage trailer hobby, learn by camping what you need to be comfortable. Experience the different types of camping off the grid, dry camping, or the $100/nite "five star" glamping. This will take all the pressure off you to rush restoring, making mistakes, and having regrets. Remember, the lesson learned from this 57 year married guy, Happy Wife, Happy Life. Take your wife to a couple of "the larger (300 plus)" Vintage Trailer Rally's, visit the Saturday Open Houses to go in the trailers. Let her figure out, is Vintage Trailers are something she would enjoy. Keep in mind that the Vintage Trailer Hobby is completely Female Driven.
So, let's say you have done the homework, visited some Rallys, and both You and Your Wife have embraced the experience. Where do you start? So that we do not ruffle the feathers, lets NOT discuss specif brands. Let's talk about types of trailer construction. You have the "egg shell" trailers which are fiberglass molded and the top shell is glued to the bottom shell. These are manufactured much like a fiberglass boat with a deck attached to a hull. You have what we call the aircraft trailers. These have aluminum skin that is riveted to internal stiffeners. The aluminum skin is stressed and is the structural wall strength. You will find this type of construction on the larger trailers. Another type is the Plywood Walled trailers. It was cheap to build 70 years ago, and history will show not many survived. About the only viable way to repair one is a completed teardown because the plywood de-laminates and has to be replaced with new. And now the most commonly talked about type of construction, at least on this forum. Stick and Tin trailers. These have a wood fabricated wall frame, and a 1/4" (5mm) sheet of plywood attached to the inside of the framing. The plywood panel is the WALL structure, NOT the wall framing. This type of trailer has to be structurally repaired from the outside in. The cabinets, counters, closets support the structure, they cannot be removed without re-engineering the frame structure. Most quality-built Stick and Tin trailers have 1 1/2" thick walls. The 1 by 2 walls studs are "turned sideways" like they build a house wall. This is stronger, provides the space to use common electrical boxes, and you can use 1 1/2" of ridged Styrofoam for summer/winter insulation. The cheaper method of construction was to turn the wall studs lengthwise. This cause the wall frame thickness to be reduced to 3/4", actually 1" when the interior panel was installed. The wall frame is NOT as strong as a wall TWICE as thick. You have less room for electrical wiring and insulation. The only advantage I can see is the bed can be 1 1/2" longer for the given outside trailer width. It was just a cheaper, faster, production method when they needed to manufacture a trailer that retailed when new for less than $1000. I have never worked on a vintage trailer yet (any type of construction) that did not have at least some structure rot and damage. The Aircraft trailer have their own set of potential problems.
Lots of information, lots of things to consider. You will laugh at yourself years from now when you think about the questions you will be asking people you never met before "If they have a Toilet in their trailer, Ice Box or Refrigerator, What's your tongue weight? The questions that need to be answered are almost never ending.
Make the best selections for the style of camping that best suits your style.
John
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Post by Hamlet on Apr 11, 2024 10:59:17 GMT -8
Hamlet is with the “buy a newer trailer” group. You’ll learn what you can and can’t camp without. We like small, so we bought an OLD one with a ten foot box. We didn’t know about Bolers then. It was a total tear down, but we enjoyed the process of the rebuild, and were able to make some carefully considered changes that have served us very well over the past decade (and more). And well into his “senior” years, Hamlet still turns heads wherever we go.
You have come to the best place for good advice and encouragement. Best of luck!
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Post by vikx on Apr 11, 2024 12:45:12 GMT -8
I agree with the above. The orange 59 Shasta is your best bet. It will need a build but is original in condition. It's hard to know if it is in road worthy condition, but I bet not. The skin looks pretty fair which is a plus.
On buying vintage trailers: don't buy one with a painted interior. Not only ugly, but covering water stains and flaws is paints main use. Also, consider resale value when buying. A canned ham is worth much more than a newer trailer like the 70 Aloha. Would that one be worth all the work? By the 70s, many had lost all their charm, anyway. Most folks prefer hams with a completely rounded shape and real wood interiors.
As far as camping now, you may find a "new" vintage trailer that has the look but should be in better condition. Of course do all the inspections on any purchase. If you like camping and your wife enjoys it, you might consider looking for a project for next year.
Good luck on your search.
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Post by r2lihou on Apr 12, 2024 10:42:13 GMT -8
I'm really glad I discovered this site. So much good advice. I did what newin62 suggested and watched a whole pile of Mobiltec's Shasta restoration videos. And I'll just say - it was sobering. In a good way. He gets into such detail, there's no time lapse or fancy editing, it really highlights the sheer amount of work, time and physical space that's needed for a restoration. Not that I had many illusions, but I think you can sometimes get caught up in thinking that trailer rebuilds will be similar to other projects you're used to and get over confident.
I'm also thankful for the suggestions on 'test running' trailer life before jumping in. There's certainly an opportunity to rent trailers - try out those with more luxuries and conveniences. We're fairly simple campers who only go for short periods, that's why the Boler we rented a couple of years ago served us well. We have no kids, so no need for extra space.
I'm still keen on a project trailer though! I'm one of those guys who just likes to do something even if I don't get all that much use out of it or plan on recouping all my money. I'm paying for the experience of the hobby, learning along the way, enjoying getting to the finished product - even if I make a bunch of mistakes along the way. So for that reason alone, I may pick up a project trailer in the near future - but I'll treat it as something that's almost separate from mine and my wife's camping goals. And if one day I finish it up and its a comfortable unit for us, all the better.
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Post by turbodaddy on Apr 12, 2024 19:44:27 GMT -8
This has been a very interesting discussion, and as always I especially appreciate John Palmer's input. Our family's experience was indescribably wonderful. My wife and I had done a lot of tent camping (not backpacking) what we called "car camping" in remote areas, mostly in the southwest. Once, when my wife was 7 months pregnant we rented an RV in New Mexico which was an eye opener. The rental was without character, had graphics all over the exterior marking us as "tourists". We didn't like it for many reasons.
Long before Covid we bought a home in a "resort" area. At the time, money was extremely tight. We hit upon the idea of buying a travel trailer to live in while renting out our home for extra income during the summer season. I looked at a zillion Craig's List ads for (boring) campers for months. Then, unexpectedly I found an ad for a 1965 "FAN" trailer. Long story shortened, I got it for $1500. I spent about 1 1/2 years"renovating" the camper with guidance from this precious resource "VTT". Since then we have put about 10K to 12K miles traveling with the trailer all across the US and Canadian Maritime provinces. It is hard to describe the immeasurable difference of tent camping vs. staying in a travel trailer. We don't even think it as "camping". We have comfortable beds, cooking facilities, a (somewhat private) toilet space, propane heat and refrigeration. It takes about 15 minutes to set up for the night upon arrival wherever we end up. We do not need electrical hook-ups, pump-outs etc. for at least 4 nights. Completely off grid and comfortable. I definitely recommend trying a rental RV trip of some sort before committing to a restoration project.
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