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Post by cmugler on Dec 6, 2023 9:46:48 GMT -8
I have heard many say not to use a jack on the axle when lifting a trailer, on my curtiss wright there is no place on the frame as there is just 1 beam running between 2 of the beefed up outriggers and the springs run the length of each beam. How are you using the jack with this pipe frame setup?
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Post by vikx on Dec 6, 2023 12:14:43 GMT -8
Try the spring brackets if they will lift the tire? You might try a dedicated Clipper site as well; they may have special tricks.
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Post by cmugler on Dec 6, 2023 16:14:38 GMT -8
what is the harm with using the axle?
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Post by Teachndad on Dec 6, 2023 21:41:18 GMT -8
I think it would help if you could share what you want to do. Are you wanting to remove a tire or put install a new spring/axle? I found a thread of yours from 2020. vintagetrailertalk.freeforums.net/thread/11890/curtis-wright-clipper-tired-springs. I assume this is the same trailer. You mentioned that you live in southern California in the thread I linked above. I know of a spring shop in La Puente that can remove your springs and re arch them or install new ones, but that would necessitate a lot of welding. They re arched the springs on my 55 Rod and Reel. I will send you their address. Check your PM's. Cheers, Rod
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Post by John Palmer on Dec 29, 2023 8:29:22 GMT -8
I have heard many say not to use a jack on the axle when lifting a trailer, on my curtiss wright there is no place on the frame as there is just 1 beam running between 2 of the beefed up outriggers and the springs run the length of each beam. How are you using the jack with this pipe frame setup? No matter what you "might have heard" they have no engineering basis for telling you that you cannot jack up the trailer by the axle. It would be just my guess that maybe you have paraphrased what might have been actually recommended? You do not want to jack up the trailer weight "in the middle" of the axle. You do want to place the jack under the spring and only jack up one side at a time. You need to fully support that side with quality jack stands before you go to the second side to jack it up. Again, you need at least four jack stands to support a trailer. Your trailer was built with what is called a Spline Frame. It has a "single round tube" (about 4") going down the center of the trailer. It usually goes from the coupler back to a boxed section over the axle(s). Ribs come out from this spline and connect the sides of the trailer walls and a perimeter steel frame. Spline frames were used by several manufacturers in the early 1950's for a short time. There is a reason they did not continue this frame style. The trailer has, or originally had, jack pads under the strong framing areas. You can place a jack or jack stand under any of these jack points. Spline frames were used on trailers that also had belly pans. Many (maybe most) times these frames are heavily rusted due to condensation inside the belly pans. It's best to grab firmly the coupler jack and try to see any twisting movement of the spline frame when you move the jack "side to side". Any frame movement is bad and would require the belly pan be removed for closer inspection. John Palmer
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Post by Teachndad on Jan 1, 2024 9:15:42 GMT -8
I have often seen the evidence of the tube spline frame on these trailers at rallies, but never thought how different they were. You can see the evidence from the rear as the main spline sticks out in the back below the bumper. John lists out how to jack it up for working underneath the trailer, but what happens if someone lifts under the spring when changing the tire while on the road? Wouldn't the spring compact as well as "push" the tire up high into the fender well making removal of the tire more difficult? For the OP, you may or may not be aware that the Tin Can Trailer website page lists owners names and emails. I would use that as a resource for trailer specific questions and becoming part of a community. If only other trailer manufacture info was so readily available on all our trailers. It's an amazing amass of information. Cheers, Rod
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Post by John Palmer on Jan 1, 2024 12:10:56 GMT -8
I have often seen the evidence of the tube spline frame on these trailers at rallies, but never thought how different they were. You can see the evidence from the rear as the main spline sticks out in the back below the bumper. John lists out how to jack it up for working underneath the trailer, but what happens if someone lifts under the spring when changing the tire while on the road? Wouldn't the spring compact as well as "push" the tire up high into the fender well making removal of the tire more difficult? For the OP, you may or may not be aware that the Tin Can Trailer website page lists owners names and emails. I would use that as a resource for trailer specific questions and becoming part of a community. If only other trailer manufacture info was so readily available on all our trailers. It's an amazing amass of information. Cheers, Rod The Spline Frame design is not a trailer brand specific thing. Several brands used this marginal design. I called it marginal because history will show how quickly the trailer industry abandoned this frame style after only a few years and never revisited the design. I have rebuilt a 1953 Silver Streak with this frame style about six years ago on a trailer that is towed yearly from So. Cal. to Montana and back. If I had it to do again, I should have just built a new conventional perimeter under the original body. It would have saved time, money, and produced a more durable finished product. One issue to consider it that the various riveted skin trailers, that used the spline frame design usually have very small wheel (fender) cutouts, some even have "no cutouts" making tire removal on the roadside sketchy. This is why in my original post I suggested the trailer be supported by "quality jack stands" after you have it jacked up. Once the trailer is jacked up, AND you have supported the frame on stands, you lower the jack and axle to allow the wheel to drop down for easy(er) removal. All of this should be done while still connected to the tow vehicle to stabilize the trailer movement. John Palmer
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Post by WhitneyK on Jan 6, 2024 7:11:36 GMT -8
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 6, 2024 19:50:45 GMT -8
Very old thread Whitney, but I've only known one other person who owns one of these and he said "just don't get a flat"... "EVER"...
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