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Post by jpalm on Aug 11, 2022 14:09:32 GMT -8
Hi there everyone! My name is Jillian. I am new here and am so thankful to have found this wonderful resource. My husband Rob and I are venturing into the vintage trailer world. We have fallen in love with the Shasta design, but have had trouble finding very many closer to our home. A few days ago, a 1958 Shasta came on the market and we went to take a look. It is completely original. Nothing has been changed on it. We love it, but it needs lots of repairs. Mostly from water damage over the years. Birch paneling on walls and ceiling have water damage, exterior damage and paint job of course. The cabinets are in great condition. All of the original appliances are there. We are so new to this and are trying to come up with a spec sheet for restoration costs. The owner is asking more than any Shasta we have ever seen for sale online whether mint condition or needing lots of work. He is open to an offer but we don't have any clue what the correct offer should be to accommodate the restoration and the value of the Shasta. Any help or ideas would be appreciated. Thank you  We purchased the Vintage Trailer book by VikX too. -Jillian |
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Post by nccamper on Aug 11, 2022 19:04:33 GMT -8
Welcome!
Two big questions...can the skin be saved and are you the type of person who can do and enjoy the work?
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Post by vikx on Aug 11, 2022 21:29:57 GMT -8
A 59 Shasta ready to be rebuilt just sold for around 3K. Lots of brand new parts, new undercarriage, etc, etc. Another 50s Shasta with NO DAMAGE just sold for $7500, just needing minor assembly (windows, edge trim, etc)
So what's the cost of this Shasta? I can tell you I'm probably gonna tell you PASS.
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Post by Ten on Aug 11, 2022 22:36:46 GMT -8
Go into this knowing that:
Nothing that is "free" really costs you nothing:
Labor cost is NOT APPLICABLE! Labor should not be considered free but your own certainly is...:
Materials will always cost twice to four times what you estimate because you will ALWAYS need more screws, nails, plumbing connectors, parts, pieces, gas for trips to the hardware store, price increases at the lumber yard, body parts, paint, welding done, gaskets and weatherstripping,.............;
EVERYTHING takes twice as long to plan out, three times as long to make fit together, and four times to make actually work than you will figure....
That is what makes it all fun.
On the down side....
There is not any certain "book value" for any of this, it is all labor of love, and can only be "valued" by you. (HINT: You will end up with a LOT more time and $$ than you anticipate...will it be love or regret when you get to the end of that rebuild journey?)
Since there is no absolute guideline and a crazy market, how long would this take to "get away from" you?
With regards to the particular 1958 model, know that there is a LOT of unforeseen things that can go wrong with all the moving parts in anything that old. Anything that could have been built can be re-built...but at what cost?
The biggest thing to overcome is sentimental value to a previous owner. If they are not willing to flex, knowing that they are never going to invest in all of the above themselves, and allow for how much it will cost you in time, then walk away.
Don't negotiate anything starry-eyed, take it from someone who has been there...
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Post by jpalm on Aug 12, 2022 11:36:44 GMT -8
Thank you all for the wise words and warm welcome. I have uploaded the photos of the Shasta below. The owner is asking $17,500. We knew it was way over priced, before we went to view it. Our hope was that we could show him a detailed list of the restoration price and give an offer on the Shasta. He says he is open to an offer, but we have no idea if he will come down to the price we would want/need. nccamper: We think the skin can be saved. The only piece we think will need replacing is under the dinette windows. My husband Rob and I love restoration and DIY projects. We never do anything halfway. We own rental property and are capable of working on a timeline to complete the restoration in a way that does not burn us out. vikx: thank you for the feedback on the current Shasta sales. The current owner has it posted for a VERY high price, but we honestly had no idea what to counter with. Ten: We def agree on the emotional impulse buy. It never leads to a good purchase! Exact reason we have given ourselves time to research and investigate. We know it will be a huge commitment to restore her and are preparing ourselves for it. My father-in-law is a retired pilot and we will be using his hangar as a home base to restore the vintage trailer we buy. The runway the hangar is on has all retired navy, army and technicians. Everyone has a specialty. Whether it is electrical, paint and body or such. They are a crew of eager and willing workers. That love tackling projects like this. Let me know what you think after taking a look at the pictures.  front view  curbside view  kitchen side exterior  kitchen area  kitchen area 2  storage and icebox  Dinette Area  Gaucho couch |
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Post by vikx on Aug 12, 2022 12:56:42 GMT -8
Wow. COMPLETED this trailer might not command 17,500... It looks like the owner has fluffed it up a bit (odd off colored flooring, etc) and fairly clean interior. Nothing has been structurally done that I can see. Just recovering the dinette seats and back cushions can run $2500+ and that's cheap if a professional seamstress does it. Hard to see but I'm seeing damage around the vent inside. Regardless of how good the inside "looks", this Shasta needs the skins off, structural repairs, etc. My Shasta Deluxe build. 57shastadeluxe.shutterfly.com/ Click on pictures and videos to view all the albums. Take a look at the build photos for sure. This Deluxe had a new roof but needed other structural repairs. This is what the outside should look like: And it needs the wheels painted and hubcaps... <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/53634851@N03/36704746074/in/album-72157685716845932/" title="014 o Polish and Wax (15)"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/4362/36704746074_d9e3774097_n.jpg" width="320" height="240" alt="014 o Polish and Wax (15)"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Inside: <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/53634851@N03/51395421786/in/album-72157685716845932/" title="004 g Butch woodwork (1)"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51395421786_9ea797b9e1_n.jpg" width="320" height="240" alt="004 g Butch woodwork (1)"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/53634851@N03/51396153749/in/album-72157685716845932/" title="004 g Butch woodwork (4)"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51396153749_8a2e6fded2_n.jpg" width="320" height="240" alt="004 g Butch woodwork (4)"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> For this kind of money, you can get a COMPLETELY REBUILT Shasta. No problems, no worries. When shopping, always ask for the build photos. Pictures or it didn't happen. Also, RUN from painted interiors. Beware goop on the roof... 2015 Re-issues are OK but can have some severe issues. We are here to help you find the perfect trailer. |
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Post by nccamper on Aug 12, 2022 14:46:14 GMT -8
It looks like a great project. I would guess it's worth 1/3 of the asking price if you want it badly, 1/4 of the asking price if you are not hot for it.
Here is my thinking... $4500 for the camper $5000 for materials if the skin can be saved ------- $9500
Resale value for a first class restoration $15000-$18000
Profit $6500-$9500 Or 1/2 minimum wage for the time invested on the restoration.
So the question is...how badly do you want it?
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Post by aslmx on Aug 17, 2022 18:21:39 GMT -8
What part of the world are you in? I think it’s over priced for what it is. If it was a total restored one with pics of the restore maybe be around that for some people.
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Post by aslmx on Aug 17, 2022 18:24:02 GMT -8
It looks like a great project. I would guess it's worth 1/3 of the asking price if you want it badly, 1/4 of the asking price if you are not hot for it.
Here is my thinking... $4500 for the camper $5000 for materials if the skin can be saved ------- $9500
Resale value for a first class restoration $15000-$18000
Profit $6500-$9500 Or 1/2 minimum wage for the time invested on the restoration.
So the question is...how badly do you want it?
exactly! Kinda like momma said about a garden. Can’t count your labor. I think my last one was around $1.05 an hour. |
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Post by Hamlet on Aug 18, 2022 10:04:20 GMT -8
New flooring and cleaning on unrestored trailer = lipstick on a pig.
No pictures = unrestored trailer, no matter what the owner says.
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