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Post by Teachndad on Feb 19, 2022 5:33:34 GMT -8
Hi Friends, Working on the door to my Rod and Reel and it's got brand new birch on it. I need to coat it. What does everyone think of using General Finishes like this one? Is it any easier to apply then using shellac? Thanks, Rod
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Post by nccamper on Feb 19, 2022 6:24:08 GMT -8
The shellac will have a nice amber tint. With the can you're showing I think you will need to stain the panel first. Even with shellac you may need to tint the panel first to match the camper interior.
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Post by PT on Feb 19, 2022 9:12:51 GMT -8
Hey Rod -
General finishes makes great products. I've used their water based Enduro-Var on my Aloha panels and other projects around the house quite a bit. It dries with an amber finish (not as pronounced as shellac) and is VERY easy to apply compared to shellac. It evens out and lays flat as it dries. If you miss a spot don't go back and try to brush back over the area - just get it with the next coat and you won't see a difference. Three coats with about a 2-4 hour dry/recoat time between. It's very durable and water resistant. ARM-R-Seal has a 12-24 hour dry/recoat time which makes for a very long project. If you want more color you should use a water based stain first.
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Post by Teachndad on Feb 19, 2022 20:36:29 GMT -8
Hey PT,
So, it sounds like you recommend the Enduro-var from your experience. Am I correct, you haven't used the Green can? I like that you say, that the Enduro-var dries with an amber finish. Which sheen did you use? Gloss, semi-gloss, or satin?
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Rod
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Post by oldman on Feb 20, 2022 5:50:55 GMT -8
I used the arm-r-seal in the green can for my whole camper, satin finish. I love that stuff. Goes on very nice. I used a sponge and rubbed it in. It is very forgiving. It stays wet for a good bit of time so you can go back and fix spots. It probably has a light amber tint if used by itself. But I never tried that on the paneling. I staind my panels first. The amber glow is just not my thing.
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Post by PT on Feb 20, 2022 8:49:55 GMT -8
Correct - I have not used the Arm-R-Seal but I know it is highly regarded. Enduro-Var has a slight Amber tint - nothing like the bold amber of premixed shellac out of the can. In the can it actually looks kinda pinkish but dries to the light amber. I used the semi gloss. Low odor and easy clean-up were also selling points. Again - it will not add much in the way of color to your bare wood by itself. The manufacturer recommends use of a water based stain under this product.
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Post by mobiltec on Mar 15, 2022 9:09:16 GMT -8
Of course, most of you know where i stand on this. LOL... I'm a purist... Shellac is what they used then, shellac is what I use now. The best reason besides the look is that shellac is very easy to repair. You're all going to get scratches here and there from a multitude of situations, and you will want to repair those places at times. I need to do a video on repairing scratches on shellacked paneling.
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Post by oldman on Mar 16, 2022 6:14:49 GMT -8
Of course, most of you know where i stand on this. LOL... I'm a purist... Shellac is what they used then, shellac is what I use now. The best reason besides the look is that shellac is very easy to repair. You're all going to get scratches here and there from a multitude of situations, and you will want to repair those places at times. I need to do a video on repairing scratches on shellacked paneling. Not every vintage camper used shellac you know. And it is not as easy to apply than the Arm-r-seal, by a long shot.
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Post by mobiltec on Mar 16, 2022 7:38:51 GMT -8
Of course, most of you know where i stand on this. LOL... I'm a purist... Shellac is what they used then, shellac is what I use now. The best reason besides the look is that shellac is very easy to repair. You're all going to get scratches here and there from a multitude of situations, and you will want to repair those places at times. I need to do a video on repairing scratches on shellacked paneling. Not every vintage camper used shellac you know. And it is not as easy to apply than the Arm-r-seal, by a long shot. It depends on what you see as a "vintage" trailer. To me, if it's a 1966 or newer it's not vintage. It's just old. But to each their own. And this is the whole reason that "vintage" trailers are so easy to restore. The paneling is repairable and replaceable. You can't do that with the newer photographed veneer paneling. You can't refinish it and it's going to be very difficult to replace it. Once the manufacturers dipped into the plastics and phony paneling stages the trailers became very difficult to "restore"... Natural materials are always either repairable and refinishable, or replaceable.
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Post by danrhodes on Mar 16, 2022 12:31:08 GMT -8
Pretty sure my 65 was not shellac. It did not soften with denatured alcohol. I do like the amber glow but think I would use a water based product next time. Shellac can be amazing with good technique, but even with 5 coats I never got the color I wanted on new birch.
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Post by Teachndad on Mar 19, 2022 5:22:23 GMT -8
Hi Friends,
I didn't know at the time when I first wrote the first post in this thread that General Finishes offers oil based as well as water based products. I am now leaning towards the water based products after researching. Depending on humidity, you can coat up to 4 times in a day. That's a nice plus when time is at a premium.
I am going to try a General Finishes product, but not the Arm R seal which is oil based. Due to the changing temperature conditions that can occur in vintage trailer from the coast to the high desert and night and day when closed up, I am going to try the Exterior 450 coat which has the lowest VOC of any of their topcoats.
Cheers,
Rod
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Post by WhitneyK on Mar 19, 2022 6:21:48 GMT -8
Hi Friends, I didn't know at the time when I first wrote the first post in this thread that General Finishes offers oil based as well as water based products. I am now leaning towards the water based products after researching. Depending on humidity, you can coat up to 4 times in a day. That's a nice plus when time is at a premium. I am going to try a General Finishes product, but not the Arm R seal which is oil based. Due to the changing temperature conditions that can occur in vintage trailer from the coast to the high desert and night and day when closed up, I am going to try the Exterior 450 coat which has the lowest VOC of any of their topcoats. Cheers, Rod Let us know how your trial turns out. Side by side comparisons, opinions, etc... Whitney
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Post by nccamper on Mar 21, 2022 4:46:14 GMT -8
Let us know how your trial turns out. Side by side comparisons, opinions, etc... Whitney I'd like to see as well.
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