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Post by preacher on Dec 28, 2021 16:11:08 GMT -8
I am planning to visit some family in Elkhart, sometime in the next couple of months. So I decided to tear into the running gear in case I need to do some shopping while I'm there. Im looking for advice & comments.It looks like the Frolic has done more sitting than rolling. When I got it, it was up on blocks. No weight on the wheels. To start with, and I know what some of you will say when you see this, it has these odd wheels. They are 15 inch, 4 on 9.44. The ones with the big hole in the middle.
I pulled the drums and removed the brake plates. At some point the brake mechanisms have been removed. The wires to the magnets had been cut inside the drums. The magnets are gone along with the rest. The drums look fine and the plates are solid. The drums have an ID of 10". The brake plates have an OD of 11.The brake plates have 4 mounting bolts. I don't precision measuring tools, but it looks like the bolts are spaced 2 13/16" apart. he hole in the middle of the brake plate is just under 3".There is a band that was attached to the axle, just inside the brake plate. It says "Fayette MFG CO, Fayette OHIO, 61 22244, 1530163"The drums have what I presume to be manufacturing dates of 2 12 68 and 2 23 68. They are also marked "920 6 B." They have "Dayton" and "Fayette" on them. The bearings look fine, KOYO LM48548 & L44649.
I need a spare wheel. It looks like this one will fit, www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Tires-and-Wheels/Dexstar/AM20501.html, but it is pricey.Springs and spindles look good. Before I disassembled them, the drums turned easily with no play.
Can I get brakes for this? What other advice does anyone have? Thanks, friends.
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Post by WhitneyK on Dec 28, 2021 17:28:07 GMT -8
Now would be the prime opportunity to replace the brake assemblies and while your at it, get some drums that have a more "standard" bolt pattern to accommodate a more common wheel. I stand to be corrected, but I as long as you find a 10" brake assembly with the 4 bolt mounting pattern it should fit. You can sometimes get these with the drums with a standard 5 lug pattern (can't remember the size, but commonly is a Ford bolt pattern). Since you're going towards Elkhart, should be able to find something in the rv mfr'g capital of the world. I've found new 10" brake sets for under $80 (not including drums). 10" 4 bolt is typically for a 3500# axle. Just a thought, didn't say it was a good one... Whitney
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Post by preacher on Dec 28, 2021 19:50:41 GMT -8
Thanks, WhitneyK.
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Post by preacher on Dec 30, 2021 21:10:29 GMT -8
Further information: Based on previous input plus WhitneyK's thoughts, thanks, I'm pursuing the feasibility of putting on new brakes and new drums that will accept standard wheels. The question I'm working on now is, are there new drums available that will fit on my spindles? I give some more information in my original post. I'm not a machinist, but using a digital caliper I came up with the following measurements in inches: The diameter of the spindle where the seal sits is 1.72. Where the inner bearing sits is 1.37. The inside of that bearing measures 1.36. At the location of the outer bearing, the spindle is 1.06 and the IO of that bearing is 1.05. (I realize that those measurements for the bearings as compared to the spindle would mean that the bearings wouldn't gon on the spindle. They do. As I said, I'm not a machinist.) I don't see what difference it makes but the part of the spindle threaded for the castle nut is .73 (3/4). This is pretty close to a #84 spindle. At this point, I don't know about the spindle length. Does this vary, or is it standard? My spindles have plates for mounting four-bolt brakes. Does mounting new drums on these spindles sound doable? Oh, for anyone who speaks bearing-ese, the bearings are Koyo, LM48548, & L44648. It would be great to hear from someone who has already walked this road, or who has a better idea about how to walk it than I do. Thanks, hm
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Post by PT on Dec 31, 2021 10:42:46 GMT -8
I worked through the same situation a few months back and did a good amount of research... It seems there are a few people (definitely the minority) that are able to match a new brake assembly and drum to their old axle but I wasn't one of them. After going to the two major trailer axle/brake providers in the Portland OR area I was quickly informed it was impossible in my instance and had to get a new axle along with the brakes and drums...
You have the added challenge of the old brakes having been removed. If you had them you could take them to a shop that specializes in trailer axles/brakes and they could measure and see if a current set matched up with them.
I've heard that the techs at etrailer can be very helpful so a phone call to them might be your best bet...
Nothing about axles or brakes is standardized in my experience and they are very finicky when it comes to matching all the components. Sorry - I know it's not what you want to hear - but I had many people shake their heads at me and say "good luck with that" before I finally got a new axle that I knew would fit the modern brake/drum assemblies.
Hopefully the crew at etrailer can help you and you'll be one of the happy minority that can combine old and new successfully!
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Post by preacher on Dec 31, 2021 12:37:45 GMT -8
Thanks. I'm currently communicating with etrailer. It seems like I can get to a point close to be sure. Closing the gap is hard, if not impossible. I am aware that the way I might have to go is a new axle. I fear that may be difficult, as well, since this trailer is narrower than many. Anyhow, it is what it is. And sound decisions have to be based on what is, not on what I wish. Thanks
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Post by ruderunner on Jan 1, 2022 5:40:50 GMT -8
Most online retailers have pretty generous return policies, I'd take my best guess on what fits and order it.
Don't bother trying to match lug patterns, wheels are easy. Go with a modern readily available patterns.
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Post by preacher on Jan 1, 2022 6:17:55 GMT -8
Thanks, ruderunner. Yes, I had already figured that out about wheels. I'll have to by 3 wheels anyhow, so, as long as they are of the currently common variety, I don't care. I will get 15 inchers since that is what I currently have and I have 2 new tires. Also, I think I can lay hands on a #84 stub spindle. I may get it, do a careful comparison with my current spindles, and maybe even "dry fit" it with my current drums. If that is a match and fit then I should be OK. I'll take that spindle back and put your plan into action. If not, that will move me toward a new axle. Your counsel makes my mind less troubled. Slowing the cash-flow will help the marital bliss. I am rebuilding the trailer to accomodate 2 of us.
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Post by ruderunner on Jan 2, 2022 5:57:51 GMT -8
Before pulling the trigger on 15 inch wheels, verify that your current tires have adequate room in the wheel wells. Install them and look into the wells for clearance problems. If you have a way to compress the suspension even better.
You might have to write off your new tires and buy a set of appropriately sized wheels and tires. I don't know for sure but 15s sound big for your camper.
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Post by idaho211 on Jan 2, 2022 8:20:55 GMT -8
So I have seen Fayette wheels for sale off and on. You would need the brake assemblies, magnets and spring kits. Those are possible to find just would take awhile. For new brake assemblies there might be some fit modifications if you keep the old drums.
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Post by Teachndad on Jan 4, 2022 5:58:51 GMT -8
I worked through the same situation a few months back and did a good amount of research... It seems there are a few people (definitely the minority) that are able to match a new brake assembly and drum to their old axle but I wasn't one of them. After going to the two major trailer axle/brake providers in the Portland OR area I was quickly informed it was impossible in my instance and had to get a new axle along with the brakes and drums... You have the added challenge of the old brakes having been removed. If you had them you could take them to a shop that specializes in trailer axles/brakes and they could measure and see if a current set matched up with them. I've heard that the techs at etrailer can be very helpful so a phone call to them might be your best bet... Nothing about axles or brakes is standardized in my experience and they are very finicky when it comes to matching all the components. Sorry - I know it's not what you want to hear - but I had many people shake their heads at me and say "good luck with that" before I finally got a new axle that I knew would fit the modern brake/drum assemblies. Hopefully the crew at etrailer can help you and you'll be one of the happy minority that can combine old and new successfully! Hi Friends, I know I am late to the party, but I will still piggy back off PT's comments. PT was lucky enough to find an axle that was off the shelf. A new axle can be custom made to your dimensions through Dexter. This, I think, applies to your situation as you mentioned that your trailer is narrower than most. You need to go through one of the Dexter dealers. If you are lucky, one of them could be nearby and that saves you shipping. You submit measurements based on your existing axle through the dealer and then wait a month or two. It really depends. That's not in your plan I know, but I will mention it for anyone coming in later to learn from your experiences. Cost is now a little less than $550. Depends on sales tax. If you have the skills to pull and remove the axle yourself, then you can save even more money. Here are some related threads. vintagetrailertalk.freeforums.net/thread/12188/modern-axles-assemblies-easier-insertion and vintagetrailertalk.freeforums.net/thread/12141/axle-advice-needed?page=1&scrollTo=115394 Cheers, Rod
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Post by preacher on Jul 10, 2022 4:41:08 GMT -8
Thanks all. I just noticed that I hadn't gotten back to this. I'm just about ready to get Frolic on the road. She has new brakes, bearings, drums, wheels, and tires. I also ran new wiring for the brakes. The folk at ETrailer were a great help. All of your posts helped me herd my thoughts in the right (I hope) direction. BTW, herding my thoughts is a lot like herding cats. Thanks
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Post by Teachndad on Jul 10, 2022 4:56:07 GMT -8
Hey THANKS for coming back to share how you solved the situation. It's much appreciated by all.
Cheers,
Rod
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Post by idaho211 on Jul 12, 2022 6:12:35 GMT -8
So did you go with e-trailer new brake assemblies? Did they fit on the original axle?
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