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Post by adderall on Mar 29, 2021 7:23:16 GMT -8
When we got the frame back from the shop, it was flat and square. We had extra channel steel welded in front to back, and as outriggers. After putting the floor on it, it was flat and square. The walls were flat and square when we framed them up, but had some very slight lateral twist once stood upright. Now with the walls screwed down, and the cross beams across walls are starting to go in, the frame is starting to lift in the back passenger side corner. I cannot figure what would cause it, out how to stop it, and whether I can't stop it and just have to start cutting beams at angles so the body and windows of the trailer will look level once it's done. Then shimmying down Front floor, looking back Rear floor looking back
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Post by Teachndad on Mar 29, 2021 21:21:07 GMT -8
Hi, I totally understand the want to get everything level. Believe me, I know... I can't tell from the pictures, but have you placed leveling jacks under the frame to keep it level? Trusting the frame itself to do it without support isn't enough. Also, when you camp, you will want leveling jacks to keep the floor more stable anyways. Some folks will weld more a modern scissor jack type leveler to the corners of the frame underneath for convenience. These are the leveling jacks you will need Rod
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Post by danrhodes on Mar 29, 2021 21:31:27 GMT -8
These campers were never straight or square to begin with. The frame itself has quite a bit of flex to it. Personally, I made sure my wall framing was straight and square and then used a jack and pry bars to get the floor and frame to line up.
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Post by nccamper on Mar 30, 2021 1:51:08 GMT -8
I agree with the comments above. To get the metal frame straight and square, add the Weight of wood framing, floor and walls and then bounce it all over America and Park on unlevel surfaces and have it be straight and square, just isn’t going to happen. As said above, these campers were never square from the factory. Add 800 pounds of people and gear, and things are going to sag and twist slightly but no one will ever notice. Follow the advice above and get it as close as you can.
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Post by wisconsinjoe on Apr 4, 2021 4:49:13 GMT -8
A word of caution here. It looks like you are framing and THEN skinning your walls and ceiling later, like you might build a house. These trailers are usually built by framing and skinning the interior first (router trimming the curved parts to the frame of lumber), and then lifted onto the trailer frame or floor. Because the walls are sheathed in plywood (glued and stapled or clamped) they create a very stiff panel) that when screwed to the metal frame can actually pull the metal to the wood.
I noticed you are putting in the rafters. Usually they go on AFTER the two opposing identically curved interior walls are attached. Then, gimp (welting) is stapled to the tops of the walls and cabinets where the curving ceiling panel is attached. The gimp makes a very clean line at those curved surfaces. Finally, the rafters are attached on top of the ceiling plywood and those are then fastened to the rafters from the inside.
Yes, this is counter-intuitive. These trailers really are built inside out. The nice part is you get to do the finish work first, rather than last, opposite of house building. Once the inside cabinetry is done, you wire, insulate, and skin the exterior.
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Post by wisconsinjoe on Apr 4, 2021 4:54:41 GMT -8
One more thing. You can still remedy this by removing the framing that makes the curving plane (roof, front, and back cross pieces or "rafters" as I call them). Then skin the interior opposing walls. I like Titebond glue and clamps where they can be used to avoid nail fasteners. But first, flatten that floor with the jacks mentioned in a previous comment. Once those sheathed walls are in place, you should be fine. Follow the sequence I outlined above.
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Post by aslmx on Apr 4, 2021 7:46:16 GMT -8
I agree with Wisconsin. I’m not familiar with this trailer. Was the framing originally 2x instead of 1x? Are the walls supposed to sit on top of the floor? If you’re 100% sure this is they way it was built originally then go for it. I tried this with my Shasta and it was all wrong. I learned that everything you know about building or framing just forget it when it comes to a trailer. One of the biggest things that I was told that still makes me feel funny is that all the walls do are hold the skin on. Using heavy duty framing is a waste of weight, time and material. All of your structure is in your cabinets. Trailers are a fun and enjoyable hobby and you will feel better in 2 years when your shellacking the interior that you did everything correctly.
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Post by wisconsinjoe on Apr 4, 2021 15:53:38 GMT -8
I think it makes sense to frame walls with 2x2s (1-1/2" thick) because there is room for wiring and insulation. Two layers of 3/4" foam, wire between. Skin is 1/4" ply, which gives plenty of racking strength.
Don't see problem with putting walls on too of good floor.
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Post by Teachndad on Apr 12, 2021 18:27:44 GMT -8
Hi Friends,
I noticed the large opening on the streetside with a closer look. Is this going to be a food trailer? I am fine with that. I am just glad to see one more saved and put back on the road. I am hoping you plan to add some cabinets especially on that side to reinforce the wall or some other type of reinforcement structure(s).
Rod
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Post by adderall on Apr 13, 2021 5:52:31 GMT -8
I agree with Wisconsin. I’m not familiar with this trailer. Was the framing originally 2x instead of 1x? Are the walls supposed to sit on top of the floor? If you’re 100% sure this is they way it was built originally then go for it. I tried this with my Shasta and it was all wrong. I learned that everything you know about building or framing just forget it when it comes to a trailer. One of the biggest things that I was told that still makes me feel funny is that all the walls do are hold the skin on. Using heavy duty framing is a waste of weight, time and material. All of your structure is in your cabinets. Trailers are a fun and enjoyable hobby and you will feel better in 2 years when your shellacking the interior that you did everything correctly. The framing was originally 2x2, 2x4s, and long 1x4s running horizontal, dadoed into place. All nailed together. The curb side is very close to how it was originally built, but I used pocket holes for 2x4s instead of the long 1x4. One more thing. You can still remedy this by removing the framing that makes the curving plane (roof, front, and back cross pieces or "rafters" as I call them). Then skin the interior opposing walls. I like Titebond glue and clamps where they can be used to avoid nail fasteners. But first, flatten that floor with the jacks mentioned in a previous comment. Once those sheathed walls are in place, you should be fine. Follow the sequence I outlined above. The frame itself was worked over at a place that builds trailers and fixes semi tractors. It was flat and had extra channel steel welded in place to help keep it square, in adddition to extra outriggers. We did this because we did not plan on having any structural cabinetry in place - see last paragraph. Speaking of titebond... all of the kerf board is already glued in place. The rafters are not. The current walls are still in my shed and we saved one wall worth of interior ply that hadn’t rotted badly (the appliance and shower side was rotted horribly) to try and use as a template for interior work. Adding to what was posted above.. yes, the ceiling was wrapped around the completed walls, 83” wide, and the kerf board and rafters were added on top of it. The way it is built now, in all other regards, it is identical, aside from using modern tongue and groove plywood for the floors, and adding real fenders instead of boxing in hammered tin. As TeachnDad pointed out - yes, we are converting this into a mobile bar. We tried to salvage as much as we could but almost everything was rotted, corroded, or broken. There had been several electrical shorts / small fires inside too. Thank you all for the replies. Looks like I’ll be pulling the rafters today. Crap. I’m not sure about what to do with the kerf board that is already in place, except maybe router into it a bit, or leave it and just run the pattern bit around it. Not like it will hurt anything to have then wall skin run all the way out to the aluminum.
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Post by adderall on Apr 13, 2021 7:36:06 GMT -8
After staring at the trailer for an hour, I think I'll add as ledger board on the outside, use it to hold the baltic birch plywood while I stencil the wall panels, then cut off the extra 1.5" from the outside that's there from the kerf board and rafters.
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Post by adderall on Apr 29, 2021 13:40:30 GMT -8
Slowly but surely. Lesson learned
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