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Post by decodan on Oct 28, 2020 10:41:44 GMT -8
Hey Everyone, Been a while since I have posted. I finished my project last year. Camped a couple times but am just not getting to use enough to justify having it. Wanted to get some help on realistic price. I know I will never get what I have invested. This is a very high end build. I can supply any info and pictures necessary. You can look up my build post or maybe I will try to link to it. vintagetrailertalk.freeforums.net/thread/7324Thank you for all the support you have given me during my build and thanks in advance for any insight you may provide to help me make an informed decision. Sincerely, Dan
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Post by vikx on Oct 28, 2020 11:31:41 GMT -8
Dan, no matter the quality of the build, price depends on "what the traffic will bear". Location matters a lot. If you are in one corner of the country, hard to sell 3000 miles away. California prices tend to be higher than most areas. Unfortunately, prices are down for vintage trailers right now. It's a dream of many but they don't want to pay. I've seen trailers posted under 10K get a lot of interest; over that, not so much. You have photos of your build, down to the frame, gorgeous woodwork, etc. That's the proof that it is a truly rebuilt trailer. It irks quite a few of us to see trailers that have been lipsticked priced just as high as a fully restored trailer. I don't even use the word "restored" any more because so many fly by nights pretend their trailers are "restored" when only decorated. Yeah, right... The facts above make it hard to sell a great trailer or even get people to look. It can take 6 months or more to sell a really nice trailer. Eventually, a smart person will realize what you have and what a gem it is. Be patient. I have 3 suggestions for you on advertising sites. VTT isn't one of them. Buyers aren't really looking here. The first site is Tin Can Tourists classified ads. You don't have to join the group to place an ad; you can register as a user to post an ad. The ads don't expire so it's a good place to advertise over the winter. Photos must be posted in the ad, not links. Show pretty wood, craftmanship, at least 4 views of the exterior and other amenities. If the pictures don't do the trailer justice, you won't get as many views. A cool way to show more photos is Shutterfly. The Shutterfly site can be set up with templates and is free and fairly easy. Uploads aren't limited and you can separate the build into albums. Original Pix, Teardown, Build, Exterior, Interior and Final shots are suggestions for albums. Just one link and you can show a buyer your entire build. Here is an example of one of my trailer sites: 57corvettetrailer.shutterfly.com/ Click on pictures and videos to view the albums. The next place to advertise is--wait for it--Craigslist. A pain, a few scammers but does get replies. Use only email and reply thru Craigs. Scammers send you to a personal email. Don't do it. Phones are often targets as well. I withhold my number until I am sure the person is a legitimate buyer. You can tell just by the questions they ask. Craiglist requires you to renew your ad every 3-4 days; an easy one click method. Pick the trailer section rather than RV so you don't have to pay 5 bucks per ad. And finally, Facebook Marketplace. I've always been against Fbk and the groups promoting gutted trailers and lipstick. However, Marketplace gets many responses and it's also free. I've helped sell two trailers just this summer. Marketplace is easy to use; click "sell something" and fill in the blanks. Post your best photos and a good description. One add had over 6000 views in 6 weeks. Good luck on your sale and let us know how it goes.
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Post by John Palmer on Oct 28, 2020 15:23:57 GMT -8
The market for nicely rebuilt, high quality vintage trailers is HOT! I've never sold a rebuilt trailer for less than $18,500., and that was for "a three year old" rebuilt trailer, to a second owner. Trailers with full bathrooms command even higher prices.
You need to advertise your trailer with good photos where serious $$$ buyers will see it. Craigslist is like Ebay, lots of tire kickers looking for cheap low end trailers. I advertise my for sale trailers on Vintage Camper Trailer's for sale section. Yes, it costs to advertise them, but I have sold every trailer I have advertised on there.
Good selling,
John
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Post by vikx on Oct 28, 2020 19:16:10 GMT -8
As said, prices are higher in California...
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Post by John Palmer on Oct 28, 2020 20:30:57 GMT -8
As said, prices are higher in California... It has been stated to me from several people in the Vintage Industry, that almost 50% of the Vintage Trailer activity is located in the three states of Washington, Oregon, and California. I wonder why VTS opened their new location in New Mexico, which is puts them within the normal two day delivery zone of the three western states? They could not give that kind of customer delivery out of Vermont. I wonder why a good number of the professional vintage restoration shops are located west of the Rockies? I wonder why every possible restorable hulk of a trailer is "way overpriced" on the market here? I wonder why the two glossy Vintage Trailer Magazines are both headquartered on the west coast? Flyte Camp had a TV show highlighting their shop's restorations, out of Bend, OR. I wonder why (in a normal non-Covid Year) all the Vintage Trailer Rally's are regularly "sold out" with 300 Vintage trailer attending. In California, we have a major Vintage Rally almost monthly during the year from March to November. It is not unusual to see fully rebuilt riveted skin trailer's professionally appraised at, and selling in the six figure area. These trailers are being built in professional shops. These shops could not stay in business unless there was at least some with positive cash flow. In the Western States, prices to purchase a core trailer for restoration are higher, prices to restore trailers in the Pro Shops are higher due to labor costs, the cost of materials shows no signs of going down, and the high demand for "new trailers" also drives prices higher. I know of a 1953 30' Spartan Tandem that sold at a Scottsdale Auction this spring for a $127,000 (before the 15% auction fees). The market is HOT, but the real activity is in the upper end, and at 20' and over. I would be interested hearing other's with "experienced views". John
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Post by vikx on Oct 29, 2020 10:25:55 GMT -8
Up here, right now, there isn't a lot of interest in trailers over 10K. I have limited knowledge of larger trailers since I specialize in canned hams no more than 15 feet. Many want bathrooms and a little larger trailer but won't pay the price. I've seen a couople of breadloafs and at least one stick and tin 24 footer sit for over a year with prices around 20K.
Just 3 years ago, prices were in the 12K range for smaller hams, so the price has dropped. Part of that drop is caused by the lipstickers selling junk and cheating people. Buyers "think" they know what to look for and end up with rot city. A few months back, a lady bought a "custom built" trailer for 11.5 and is now fighting for her money back. A few visits here and she would have been better prepared.
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Post by John Palmer on Oct 29, 2020 11:52:19 GMT -8
Up here, right now, there isn't a lot of interest in trailers over 10K. I have limited knowledge of larger trailers since I specialize in canned hams no more than 15 feet. Many want bathrooms and a little larger trailer but won't pay the price. I've seen a couople of breadloafs and at least one stick and tin 24 footer sit for over a year with prices around 20K. Just 3 years ago, prices were in the 12K range for smaller hams, so the price has dropped. Part of that drop is caused by the lipstickers selling junk and cheating people. Buyers "think" they know what to look for and end up with rot city. A few months back, a lady bought a "custom built" trailer for 11.5 and is now fighting for her money back. A few visits here and she would have been better prepared. Vikx, You and I are talking about apples and oranges. The trailers I'm talking about have more than ten thousand just in new material costs, without any labor cost. I'm not talking about the problem we both see with Lipstick Flipper's, which is a real issue for anyone new to the hobby that has failed to do their diligence. The growth is in the $40K to $100K range. Many trailers in this price range are not the small stick and tin trailers you are rebuilding. Yes, the new customers want bathrooms, but they demand the old vintage looks, while enjoying modern amenities. What is happening right now is the hobby is in a maturing stage. You have lots of activity documented by new magazines, TV shows, new specialty parts companies start ups, new restoration business start ups, Professional appraisers and insurance brokers getting into the hobby, the increase in both quantity and size of the vintage trailer rally's. Today modern RV sales, and the occupancy rates of RV parks are off the charts, business is booming. The car hobby has gone through the same maturing cycles. Kids start out fixing up a old car because it's cheap fun. Then they grow up, have more disposable income and start improving it with better parts, maybe making it go faster, stop better, etc. All of a sudden, that 1932 Ford roadster is called a "Hot Rod collectable" because the supply dried up. It's not a $50 car anymore, it's a $100K car. You have companies that have invested in new tooling to reproduce the 1932 bodies but they are $15,000 for a new bare body today. The very same thing is occurring today in the vintage trailer hobby. This story can be repeated over and over, with Cobras, Early Ford Bronco's, Tri Five Chevrolet's, etc. Any one that has $50K to $100K to spend on a vintage trailer needs to step back and think about what they really want and need in a trailer. The very first step is to attend the local Vintage Trailer Rally's for a year and participate in the Saturday Open House events. Just like buying a home, you need to feel the difference when entering a vintage trailer. Some you will love, some you will hate. I hate stepping into a Airstream, but they are a very popular brand, likely because the buyers did not actually choose what they like, and only bought what they were told was cool. Kinda why Harleys sold so well for a period. New buyers need to educate themselves on all of the issues of buying and owning a vintage trailer. I used to completely side with the buyer, and that the Flipper's were crooks. Well the flipper's are still crook's, but the buyers need to be much more knowledgeable, they need to take the time to become educated about the hobby, and their needs. Sadly, not very many people want to read, study, and ask questions, they just jump in then complain they were robbed. John
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Post by decodan on Oct 29, 2020 13:47:45 GMT -8
Well, I get what is being said. I am not talking about a pig with lipstick. I have over 16k in materials and supplies not to mention my year and half of time. The only thing original on my trailer is the vin number, axle and title. But it still looks like a vintage canned ham.
Now, I enjoy working on these things including my cars but I do want to recoup most of my costs since this is a new camper. In fact I have many features you don’t get on new campers. If you had followed my build or looked at the build page it is evident this is a high end build.
I would hope to get a minimum of 15k but if that is unreasonable I guess I will just let it sit and get used once or twice a year. I am not going to give it away.
Thanks again for your help, Dan
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Post by John Palmer on Oct 29, 2020 14:18:28 GMT -8
Well, I get what is being said. I am not talking about a pig with lipstick. I have over 16k in materials and supplies not to mention my year and half of time. The only thing original on my trailer is the vin number, axle and title. But it still looks like a vintage canned ham. Now, I enjoy working on these things including my cars but I do want to recoup most of my costs since this is a new camper. In fact I have many features you don’t get on new campers. If you had followed my build or looked at the build page it is evident this is a high end build. I would hope to get a minimum of 15k but if that is unreasonable I guess I will just let it sit and get used once or twice a year. I am not going to give it away. Thanks again for your help, Dan There's no good reason to expect you to give it away. Pay $100 bucks for a premium ad (my guess on ad price) in the "for sale" site. Take a dozen nice photos. Include the photos showing that it was taken all the down to the frame. Write up a nice detailed description of the trailer and what you did to it. Price it at $25K and see what happens. Make sure to include the trailer's location, and encourage people to come look at the quality. Buyers that have busy work schedules are more than happy to find a fully rebuilt, quality trailer, that has $16K in new parts, and they "only have to pay" $9K in labor. Just think about it. It's at the very least a 700 man hour job for $9K, or about $12/hr. McDonalds pay $15/hr to kids without any experience, or tools, or workshop. Do not respond to anyone offering to help you sell your trailer, they are scams. Good luck with your sale. John
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Post by vikx on Oct 29, 2020 22:03:14 GMT -8
I'm sorry for Hijackig your thread, Decodan, and I certainly didn't mean to imply your trailer was lipstick. It is beautiful and looks very high end.
My comments were aimed at what MY situation is HERE and has nothing to do with any other person or location. Prices discussed are what the traffic will bear up here, right now.
I was trying to help you by suggesting sites and an individual site idea to show off your entire build. It makes it easier to share a link rather than email multiple photos.
I wouldn't give up yet. Interest will pick up in February. If you like, I will move these comments to another thread.
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Post by decodan on Oct 30, 2020 7:30:58 GMT -8
No problem, I get it. Thanks, Dan
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