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Post by TheShastaProject on Jan 5, 2014 16:50:34 GMT -8
It has been very slow going but I'm still at it. Need to make a decision on the water tank size now. Current one is about 1ft diameter and 5 ft long, takes up all the space underneath the back couch/bed. I would love to reclaim some of that for storage and am not even sure if we need a water tank. Years ago, we only camped where there was a water hook up.
Why is a water tank needed?
How many gallons is minimum? (Don't judge but I could fit a bunch of shoes in that space!)
Thanks! Jennifer
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Post by bigbill on Jan 5, 2014 17:21:30 GMT -8
Are you taking showers flushing toilets or just washing a few dishes? Will it be just you or a spouse and twenty kids? All of that comes into the proper answer. In our truck campers we only used the tank for washing dishes and hands a five gallon tank lasted several days. In our trailer that had a shower and a flush toilet I don't think they made a big enough tank.
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Post by 61 Shasta on Jan 5, 2014 17:25:14 GMT -8
That question comes up often as I have noticed on the forum. In my mind what it boils down to is your preference. When I did my restore I put in provisions for the water tank should I change my mind but did not re-install one at this point. As to "why is a water tank needed"?, I offer this. If you are absolutely going to camp each and every time where there is water available and are willing to take that chance, you probably don't need one. However, as I have camped most all of my life, I wouldn't want to take that chance so you have to be willing to and have room to carry some supply of water. Not just drinking but washing up, dishes, coffee!, tea, etc. As to # of gallons, again, the choice is yours but 5 to 15 gallons would be a safe range. Now Jennifer, I must do this. Kind of like how many pairs of shoes to take along. Ask yourself the question "How many do I need for the trip I am about to take. Based on the questions you ask, I would put the added space out of the equation and do a real analysis of your water needs on any given trip. Good luck.
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 5, 2014 19:23:24 GMT -8
I've pondered this question, too. My husband thought I should put the tank back in its original spot but I have other plans for that storage space. I'm planning on possibly using my Reliance 5 gallon fresh water container, either in the closet or under the sink, preferably under the sink. I can always carry extra water in my tow vehicle and store drinking water in the icebox or stove (yes, I said stove, that's a lot of space, too.) Jennifer, you can never have too many shoes.
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Post by TheShastaProject on Jan 5, 2014 20:39:24 GMT -8
I agree that you can never have too many shoes I am conservative when packing for a camping trip. What I didn't mention was hubby wears a 15, 12 year old boy wears 12 and 10 year old girl wears a 10. Just storing one pair of each takes up quite a bit of space!
Not planning on ever camping without a water hook up but think I will put in a small, just in case water tank. Think 15 gallons would be good for washing dishes, faces, and flushing for a weekend of 4 people? We will bring along drinking water for cooking and drinking.
Thanks for the input! Jennifer
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Post by Hamlet on Jan 5, 2014 21:54:57 GMT -8
To jude how much room a 15 gallon tank will take, think of 15 empty gallon jugs sitting side by side. It's not all that different from your original tank. If you're VERY careful, 15 gallons will work for a weekend of dishes and faces, I think you'd be pushing it if everyone used the toilet three times. Depends on the toilet.
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Post by 61 Shasta on Jan 6, 2014 7:46:34 GMT -8
I agree with Hamlet, you would have to be very very conservative to get by with 15 gallons using a flush toilet. If you can find a toilet that limits the amount of water utilized for each flush it would be a big help in determining what you need.
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Post by pathfinder3081 on Jan 6, 2014 8:56:33 GMT -8
Water tanks are nice.. The first lady of the tribe always has me put a least 5 or 6 gallons upon arrival where ever we might be if we don’t have a hook up. (I think our tank is a 16 gallon one, and we do not have a toilet or shower) I do not travel with water in our tank. If I was to boon dock I'd carry my 5 gallon jerry can full of water and use it to carry more in.. I have a “rain-catcher” from the sailing days too.. I guess I could use that to boon dock with as well. I don't have a power electric pump. I don't really miss that, but if I ever have to rebuild the counter top I'll put in a foot pump, they really free up the hands. The sink is so shallow in the Loflyte. I chuckle a little bit but my wife will wash dishes in the thing. I prefer filling up a dish pan and clean’em up outside, weather permiting of course
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 6, 2014 10:07:09 GMT -8
It would also depend on the type of toilet. The one I have decided on has a 4 gallon fresh water tank and 5.5 gallon waste water tank, uses 1/2 cup per flush and says it gets 56 flushes per tank. I haven't done the math, myself.
Also how much water do you need to wash dishes, shower, etc? I found this past summer when camping primitively in the desert during a drought, I could wash dishes with 2 quarts of water. My son and I can both take a shower from the solar shower which held 5 gallons (but we didn't in the desert, we saved that water!) The two of us went through 10 gallons in two weeks being very conservative and not including a toilet.
We also learned the hard way that we should always fill our tanks when there is an opportunity.
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Post by bigbill on Jan 6, 2014 13:37:05 GMT -8
Another very important thing to remember about a water tank is how it will effect the balance of your trailer. We think of water in terms of not much weight when drinking a glass full, but when hauling 15 or 20 gallons of fresh water and 20 or 30 gallons of black water you can be adding 300 or 400 pounds of weight if the tanks are in the rear that could take all the weight off of the hitch causing a severe sway problem or if added to the front it could cause an excess amount of tongue weight causing a hitch failure or damage to the tow vehicle. Also this weight can cause a suspension over load on one side of the trailer if it isn't designed for it. On some trailers you will find a heavier duty spring on one side to allow it to safely carry more weight on that side. another thing to consider when redesigning and adding tanks is the load rating of your tires, wheels, and bearings. We sometimes forget how much weight we add to a dry or empty trailer when tanks are filled, cupboards are loaded, and the center aisle piled full of all the things we need to take with us. I suggest that people load their trailer completely full of every thing they are going to haul in it including firewood, cement blocks, tents, awnings, outboard motors, and anything else they will want to haul.Then take it to a scale and weigh it, just the trailer, unhook and move vehicle off the scale.Then back the trailer wheels off the scale, unhitch the tow vehicle leaving the jack sitting on the scale to check tongue weight. Next do the math and make sure that 10% or more of the total weight is on the tongue and that your hitch rating exceeds that amount. I personally like at least a 30 or 40 percent safety margin on my hitch. I know this sounds like a wasted effort but there are two things I don't want to be responsible for, Myself or somebody else being killed or seriously injured. I am of the opinion that would spoil a good vacation.
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Post by 61 Shasta on Jan 6, 2014 19:19:05 GMT -8
Excellent points Bill. Too often we forget to consider the very points you bring up. Thanks
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 6, 2014 19:36:13 GMT -8
I wondered about the weight distribution with the tank on one side and how it was compensated. That was one of my concerns and reasons for not replacing mine. I've dealt with the weight and balance issue before. That's also one of the reasons I refrained from filling my tanks this past summer. Water is a lot of extra weight.
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Post by bigbill on Jan 6, 2014 20:36:36 GMT -8
For a quick calculation use eight pound to the gallon. Not exact but close enough.
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Post by cowcharge on Feb 3, 2014 18:13:12 GMT -8
My 2250 came with black and gray tanks (in front of the wheels), a 6g water heater, and an @35g fresh tank (both in the back). Guess that's why they put two axles on it...
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