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Post by kaffi311 on Dec 2, 2017 6:01:49 GMT -8
So my SC has a toilet, so obviously had a black water holding tank. Can anyone show me what it looked like under the trailer? Just wondering- discovery stage of my trailer. Thanks
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Post by mrmarty51 on Dec 2, 2017 19:20:46 GMT -8
I might be wrong, someone please correct Me if I am. With the cut off valve that close to the floor, it may not have had a black water tank. I think the valve, when there is a tank, is located on the outlet side of the tank.
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Post by vikx on Dec 2, 2017 21:40:24 GMT -8
I think Marty may be correct. Parts are missing and the toilet may be a recirculating "fecal fountain". Monomatics came with a built in holding tank. There appears to be a small squarish tank above the fitting, but it still might be part of the toilet....
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Post by mobiltec on Dec 3, 2017 12:51:09 GMT -8
Considered a park model when no black holding tanks. Your dump valve is right there at the exit point of the bottom of the toilet so if there is any holding tank at all, it's above that. And so far I've found that it is not easy to add one to a trailer that was not designed for it. Remember you need a certain amount of clearance under the rear portion of the trailer for those steep driveways and such. You can add a brand new toilet that has it's own little holding tank and it can be dumped the same way as the one you have now through that pipe and valve except it will have it's own valve on the bottom as well. Thetford makes toilets like that. I installed one in the 59 Kenskill using the same through-floor plumbing so you just hook up a hose and dump it like normal. I used the existing flange and everything for this toilet install. There was already water there so I added a hand held sprayer for cleaning purposes and to fill the toilet tank with water for flushing. You can see the dump handle at the bottom.
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Post by Ten on Dec 3, 2017 14:11:20 GMT -8
I believe the tank in that model was mounted above the floor, and the toilet sat on top of it. There would not have been any tank hanging below so the shutoff valve could be mounted that high up. The black tank only handled the toilet, and all grey water was drained directly with no holding...the tank did not need to be large.
I may be able to find a couple photos, if I dig, give me some time...
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Post by Ten on Dec 3, 2017 21:27:32 GMT -8
This is a photo of the tank removed from the trailer, out of a 1961 Astrodome. The Astrodome was the same trailer as the 16SC but had the front bunk overhanging the hitch. I don't think there was much structural difference form '61 to '64. (Thanks go to schweetcruisers , again, for this photo lifted from his blog: schweetcruisers.blogspot.com/ )
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Post by schweetcruisers on Dec 4, 2017 11:15:45 GMT -8
there should be a step up into the "bathroom" the tank is between that floor and the floor of the trailer, the kitchen sink should also drain into that tank.
if look closely at the picture above you can see two different colors on the top, the darker side is actually under the kitchen cabinets. If you open the lowest cabinet, closest to the bathroom wall you should be able to see the tank.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Dec 27, 2017 22:00:54 GMT -8
Since we are having a conversation about weird vintage toilet configurations, I am wondering if anyone here has actually had one of these pumps in their trailer? As far as I can figure out, it is a basic hand pump that brings in water from the fresh water tank. I am assuming it was the only way to flush the original tank as my trailer did not have an electric pump. My new replacement toilet is a direct flush china bowl that Vikx recommended. We will add direct pressure city water hook up to the trailer, but I am thinking of keeping the old pump for when we do not have pressured water. Anyone have experience with one of these??
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Post by mobiltec on Dec 28, 2017 7:27:11 GMT -8
I've never seen one of those Wendy but I love it! Only thing I would worry about is siphoning back to the fresh water tank.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Dec 28, 2017 11:42:41 GMT -8
I've never seen one of those Wendy but I love it! Only thing I would worry about is siphoning back to the fresh water tank. Can you explain what “siphoning” back means? I’m think what you saying is that I would need a back flow valve on the line, to make sure the water only good one way? Is that correct?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 12:32:09 GMT -8
Yes...you are correct. I'm sure Mobiltec will respond as well.
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Post by mobiltec on Dec 28, 2017 13:07:43 GMT -8
Yep.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Dec 28, 2017 15:19:30 GMT -8
Gotcha.. I can do that. I have a friend who is a master plumber/electrician who loves old trailers and who will be helping me with that part of the rebuild. My goal with this trailer is to keep all the original parts, even if they are quirky and weird. It's part of keeping the original charm of the era.. unless keeping it is dangerous, as in some of the old furnaces etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 17:45:48 GMT -8
The Real-Lite truck camper I acquired has a pressurized water tank with an inflation fitting and gauge on the outside. I've decided to restore this thing and am considering keeping this system in tact. Kind of a cool feature. I'm assuming this eliminates the need for toilet and faucet hand pumps for campers that don't have an electric pump? Is this fairly common, and do most of you save this feature or upgrade to electric?
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Post by mobiltec on Dec 28, 2017 18:51:28 GMT -8
Pressure in those things can be maintained by hand pumping or by installing a little air pump in it with a pressure shut off. They actually have been making those for trailers for a very long time. I found an original in the 59 Kenskill but I lost it in the move. They are 12 volt pumps so they work off grid. I'm sure you can find one. A bit noisy but they work fine. They come on when you open a valve just like an electric pump.
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