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Post by flameout on Jun 26, 2017 4:25:39 GMT -8
My recently purchased 68 Shasta StarFlyte has turned out better than expected, with only a few items needing attention. Two of the are the fridge and hot water tank. The fridge works using electricity, but the furthest I can get with gas is just getting the pilot lit. When the flame actually kicks on, so to speak, is it that pilot flame that just gets larger to heat the ammonia? Or is there something under that right side cover that ignites (photo) Shasta hw tank by Bill, on Flickr This is the pilot. For some reason, the flame looks bigger in the photo Shasta hw tank by Bill, on Flickr The hot water tank I think might just need a new gas valve. You can see in the photo that the red push button is broken, but I can still push the button in and the pilot will light. It just wont stay lit. I'd like to just get a new gas valve and thermocouple, but I have no idea which would actually work with this model and year tank Shasta hw tank by Bill, on Flickr
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Post by flameout on Jun 26, 2017 6:54:27 GMT -8
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Post by flameout on Jun 26, 2017 13:07:36 GMT -8
Is it possible I have a bad propane regulator? Even the flame on the stove and oven burners seems a little smaller than I would have expected. I am able to get a flame on both fridge and hot water tank, but both really low. It appears I may still have original regulator, but I find that hard to believe, but I guess it's possible
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Post by Ten on Jun 26, 2017 17:23:22 GMT -8
First, the most commonly offered advice here is to make sure to check the entire system for leaks. It looks like you already know this, but it is still worth repeating. A leak in a propane system can turn disastrous in a real big hurry, and that is the first thing you want to make sure to fix.
Second, the regulator. If the trailer has the original on it, I would recommend changing it out just on general principles. After so many years, I would not trust the diaphragm and failure could become a possibility at the worst possible times. (Change the pigtail lines too.) If the trailer sat with the tanks unhooked, there may be insect leavings in the pigtail lines that could be restricting the propane flow.
The flame you see in the fridge is the actual burner. It is regulated by the temperature control, but does not go out and relight by a pilot, like the water heater. It heats the ammonia in the chamber above, and the housing acts as the chimney for the burner. Remember that the most common problem with these old fridges is the coils failing and leaking the ammonia out, rendering them useless. If you are noticing any odor of ammonia in the compartment then it is likely on its way out. One other point, in case you are not familiar, it takes a good 24 hours for the fridge to reach operating temperature running on propane.
You may be able to get away with replacing the thermocouple in the water heater. That is the usual culprit when the pilot won't stay lit. If it lights, the valve is probably alright.
Remember that changing to electric will require some new wiring, and will also require proper electric hookups.
When I reached this point, I was more concerned with what had been in and through the tank, and what might be left in the water. I decided to change out the whole tank. It is likely to cost a couple of hundred-dollar bills, but the new heater takes the worry out of the job. These old heaters are easily replaced if you decide to go that route. Atwood makes a replacement that is sized the same as the originals, and changing is a matter of a little putty tape and some simple plumbing.
I took the opportunity to plumb it in with a bypass kit while I was at it. Makes winterizing a lot easier.
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Post by flameout on Jun 26, 2017 18:57:49 GMT -8
Thanks for all of that info. I never realized it took that long for the fridge to get cold. Today I removed the orifice and I could barely see light though it. I cleaned it out with a very thin wire and got a little better of a flame and within a few hours, the fridge was actually starting to get cold! I did order a new regulator though, just to be on the safe side. I may look into a replacement hot water tank though
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Post by Ten on Jun 26, 2017 19:36:57 GMT -8
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Post by flameout on Jun 27, 2017 4:34:16 GMT -8
Hmm, that may be the route I'll take. By the time I'm done messing with this 49 year old unit, I might be better off just replacing it all. My current heater looks to be welded in place though? I'll have to take a closer look
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Post by Ten on Jun 27, 2017 6:01:14 GMT -8
Might be mounted behind the skin, I have seen that done before. It isn't hard to do, just takes some time, but the skin would have to be taken loose enough to expose it completely. I assume you will be lifting some skins to check framing anyway, so this is not really extra steps.
Before going through all of that, you might try taking the plumbing loose and see if it will slide out at all. That would give you a clue as to its mounting.
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Post by flameout on Jun 30, 2017 10:15:27 GMT -8
I bought a new gas valve and thermocouple for my water heater, and although it now works, something still isn't right. When the gas kicks on, rather than the flame shooting into the tank, is wants to come out and go up the side of the tank, so I was wondering if there is any parts missing from where I have the photo circled where the burner enters the tank. Like maybe a safety shield or something? If I blow on the flame while it is trying to go up the side, it will go back onto the tube/opening in the tank and work just fine, until flame goes off and lights again Also, where the other circle is, that was also catching fire. I slid that ring down to leave just a very tiny opening and it seems to have fixed that problem, but something still doesn't seem right I haven't been able to find any photos of water heaters similar to mine to actually see if I am missing anything. Oh, and this flame shoots out about 6" where the flame on the fridge is maybe 1/2" Shasta water heater by Bill, on Flickr
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Post by cowcharge on Jul 5, 2017 16:23:08 GMT -8
That sounds like a draft problem. The smaller circle is the air mixture, I believe. If you have gas coming out of it it is probably because there isn't enough draft to keep the airflow going, which would also account for the flame backing out of the tank. I would look for a mouse nest or something farther downstream that is blocking the airflow.
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Post by flameout on Jul 6, 2017 3:31:59 GMT -8
I thought I had posted the fix, but I guess it was on a different thread. It was indeed back up. Wasnt a mouse nest, but about a half dozen or so stink bugs thought it would be a good idea to crawl inside the gas tube to die. When I removed the tube, I could see somehing blocking thenend. I removed it, banged the tube in the ground a few times and out fall all these stink bugs. The hot wanter tank is now working perfectly 😁
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