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Post by danrhodes on Aug 31, 2016 6:25:15 GMT -8
I've read some folks using putty under the roof fold over as well as under the j rail. I tried this last weekend and am now reconsidering as it's really making the old roof fit tight with minimal fold over in a few places. I haven't stapled the fold yet, so am wondering if I should scrape it off this weekend. How many folks are doing this on old roof skins?
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Post by RinTin on Aug 31, 2016 6:36:03 GMT -8
Haven't re-installed roof metal myself yet, but this was done from the factory on my 57 Jewel. I too am considering doing so, but was planning to run a bead of butyl caulk instead. I can see how using tape could cause the issue you describe. It will be interesting to see the responses.
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Post by danrhodes on Aug 31, 2016 7:24:19 GMT -8
Haven't re-installed roof metal myself yet, but this was done from the factory on my 57 Jewel. I too am considering doing so, but was planning to run a bead of butyl caulk instead. I can see how using tape could cause the issue you describe. It will be interesting to see the responses. How much working time do you get with butyl caulk? Are you talking just a pure butyl gutter caulking available at home depot, or the less available brands recommended here for sealing on top of the rail?
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Post by nccamper on Aug 31, 2016 8:10:28 GMT -8
I tried it once with Butyl and it caused a bulge so I took it off. Some people use this: I bought it but haven't tried it yet. If I remember correctly it can't be painted so it will only work on the fold if it isn't runny. I will know more when I open it three months from now for the Forester. I wonder if glazing tape might work better than butyl? It's thinner, narrower and sticks to anything.
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Post by bev on Aug 31, 2016 9:02:30 GMT -8
i too am going to add some kind of insurance under the roof skin fold over, but i think most of my effort to weather proof will be spent at the roof penetrations and windows since i gather this these areas are a more common source of water damage.
i'm very interested in seeing the consensus on how to better seal this wall roof seam.
has anyone tried the use of tyvek (or another competitor) sill seal tape that is used to seal around the house wrap where it meets the doors and windows of a residential dwelling. unless i'm missing something, why wouldn't you use this tape to seal by overlapping the wall skin by 1/2" and the other edge of the wide tape to extend over the curbing/rafters/house wrap; then cover with roof skin and putty tape as normal? this same procedure could be used to seal the walls up at the windows and doors. it seams like this would work better than just the putty tape alone.
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Post by RinTin on Aug 31, 2016 12:29:57 GMT -8
Haven't re-installed roof metal myself yet, but this was done from the factory on my 57 Jewel. I too am considering doing so, but was planning to run a bead of butyl caulk instead. I can see how using tape could cause the issue you describe. It will be interesting to see the responses. How much working time do you get with butyl caulk? Are you talking just a pure butyl gutter caulking available at home depot, or the less available brands recommended here for sealing on top of the rail? I'm thinking of something like this by CR Laurence: www.amazon.com/C-R-Laurence-CRLAURENCE777BLCRLBlack777ButylRubberSealant/dp/B001TBCQ92/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1472673808&sr=1-3&keywords=butyl+caulkOr perhaps another brand, but a type used in the auto and commercial window glazing trades. My thought is to lay a bead, not too heavy but enough to seal the corner where the roof metal overhangs the sides. As you bend the roof metal over it should squeeze out the butyl, increasing the coverage of the sealed area. Clean up any excess that squeezes out below the edge of the fold over. Butyl has an indefinite working time as it does not cure and harden. It will degrade if exposed to air and sunlight but since that will not happen in this application, it should make an excellent, long lasting secondary seal. That's how I see it anyways.
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Post by RinTin on Aug 31, 2016 12:52:22 GMT -8
i too am going to add some kind of insurance under the roof skin fold over, but i think most of my effort to weather proof will be spent at the roof penetrations and windows since i gather this these areas are a more common source of water damage. i'm very interested in seeing the consensus on how to better seal this wall roof seam. has anyone tried the use of tyvek (or another competitor) sill seal tape that is used to seal around the house wrap where it meets the doors and windows of a residential dwelling. unless i'm missing something, why wouldn't you use this tape to seal by overlapping the wall skin by 1/2" and the other edge of the wide tape to extend over the curbing/rafters/house wrap; then cover with roof skin and putty tape as normal? this same procedure could be used to seal the walls up at the windows and doors. it seams like this would work better than just the putty tape alone. This will definitely help seal the vapor barrier but will do nothing to help prevent water from getting under the metal skin. Pulling a trailer in the rain at 60 mph will create strong hydraulic forces. If enough water gets trapped between the skin and vapor barrier it can eventually migrate and find a way in. IMHO, if you are going to take extra measures, it's best to do so in a fashion that will help keep the water on the outside of the metal.
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Post by danrhodes on Aug 31, 2016 13:59:32 GMT -8
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Post by Ten on Aug 31, 2016 14:31:51 GMT -8
I replaced the putty tape in the '70 16SC. It was tougher to get good photos of it than it was to replace. This is the old putty that was under the J-rail, and the stuff under the fold was just as dried and useless. I figure it this way... if the putty tape was good enough for the manufacturers to use 50 years ago, and the trailer is still standing 50 years later, then it should be good enough to use now. I did not completely remove the roof, but rather took it loose one side at a time, removed the old tape as cleanly as possible without slicing fingertips off, and then cleaned both surfaces, under the lip and the face of the siding, with denatured alcohol. Regular putty tape, not butyl, in a 1/8" thick by 3/4" wide size kinda forced into the crease of the roof, then push the roof back into place. I took a rubber mallet and gently tapped the whole edge from end to end, until the nail holes were pretty well lined up then nailed it into place. That squeezed the putty firmly into place. I trimmed the excess tape away after the nails were all in place. Adding the putty on the back of the J-rail and replacing that drew everything back into perfect...well, almost....shape. I have no doubt that it is going to hold up as long as the rest of the job, for 15 years or so, when it all should probably be replaced again.
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Post by RinTin on Aug 31, 2016 16:52:23 GMT -8
I will likely end up buying two or three different products and testing them to see which one I like best. Let us know what you think of the Red Devil product.
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Post by vikx on Aug 31, 2016 23:01:25 GMT -8
I don't like putty under the roof bend but some sort of sealer might be OK. The metal folds better and has a tighter lip without putty. To me, putty after the orig. construction does lift the lip and could cause problems.
I use gutter seal after staples/nails and do it twice. New putty on the J/awning rail will seal it after seating the top of the rails with a rubber hammer.
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Post by Dad Rambles on Sept 1, 2016 7:29:41 GMT -8
I plan on using something under mine, although not tape because of the reasons mentioned. Probably OSI gutter sealant mainly because it sticks really well, and is readily available at HD or L's. I had good luck with it and OSI quad on the teardrop.
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Post by vikx on Sept 1, 2016 11:33:34 GMT -8
I recently finished a trailer with a long side seam and was worried about leaks since that seam had been a real leaker/rot producer. I planned on real butyl tape at the seam edge (tightened by siding screws) but wanted extra insurance: The roofing company sold me a specialty caulk that had medium stretch. (other options were super flexible and low stretch) The caulk was water cleanup and caution on the label stated, "do not use paint thinner to clean the surface". A bead of caulk went behind the butyl tape, about 1/2", the length of the seam. No real way to tell if this caulk was worth it, since the butyl is the first defense. The same caulk was used in a rear roof trim gap and was very nasty to work with. (I had slipped new metal up under the roofing about 10". Then the roofing laid over and secured with trim. The gap was at the bottom of the trim piece after putty and screws) Smoothing was a nightmare, it was ugly and smeared along the metal. Took over an hour to do that one rear seam. One reason for using it instead of OSI is the size of the gap and ease of application. Ha. Didn't quite work out that way... Roof metal overlapped. After stapling, all divots and old holes sealed with OSI. Waterproofing tape on the underside. Here's the underside of the trim, sorry it's hard to see. Anyway, I did use OSI at the side seam after screws with the putty well seated. It smoothed perfectly and was so invisible we used a side light to be sure the seal was complete. I'm confident the trailer won't leak and will not be using specialty roof caulks again.
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Post by bev on Sept 14, 2016 17:07:58 GMT -8
i found some putty tape under my roof bend over. it looked like it was factory since there were no old stable holes that didn t have a stable...quite surprised.
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Post by mobiltec on Sept 14, 2016 18:31:18 GMT -8
i found some putty tape under my roof bend over. it looked like it was factory since there were no old stable holes that didn t have a stable...quite surprised. I think it's a great idea. It worked for Shasta. Only place in the whole trailer that didn't leak LOL...
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