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Post by mel on Feb 12, 2016 10:32:11 GMT -8
Mine originally came with brakes, the wires are currently cut. I know usually people dont have brakes on trailers as light as mine. What are your thoughts and why?
p.s. I do plan on going camping in the mountains of TN.
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Post by Ten on Feb 12, 2016 10:49:02 GMT -8
If they are already present, it will only cost a little time and screwing-around to run some leads to the cut wire ends to see if there is any hope they still do work. I would not count on them much though, and would plan on spending to replace them anyway.
I know that the brakes had to have been an optional-equipment add-on for the Compact, and not many had them. However, since they are present it shouldn't take a lot to be able to renew them. There will be some expense involved, like the brake assemblies, possibly drums, wiring, and the controller for your tow vehicle. But it is not a prohibitive cost factor. Personally, I would start rounding up the parts to get the job done, small-trailer question or not. All of the recent discussion about safe towing is enough to convince me of the added safety bonus it would be giving you. Mountains of Tennessee or no, safety first!
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Post by danrhodes on Feb 12, 2016 10:53:44 GMT -8
If they are already present, it will only cost a little time and screwing-around to run some leads to the cut wire ends to see if there is any hope they still do work. I would not count on them much though, and would plan on spending to replace them anyway. I know that the brakes had to have been an optional-equipment add-on for the Compact, and not many had them. However, since they are present it shouldn't take a lot to be able to renew them. There will be some expense involved, like the brake assemblies, possibly drums, wiring, and the controller for your tow vehicle. But it is not a prohibitive cost factor. Personally, I would start rounding up the parts to get the job done, small-trailer question or not. All of the recent discussion about safe towing is enough to convince me of the added safety bonus it would be giving you. Mountains of Tennessee or no, safety first! So, how big and how heavy is a compact? Our trailer has a 10 foot long floor, though the box is closer to 13 at the tops. Pretty small compared to many I've seen. I don't believe it has any provision for brakes, meaning a new axle if I decide to install them.
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Post by SusieQ on Feb 12, 2016 11:05:42 GMT -8
Compacts are 13ft to tongue, 10ft box and 6' 6" wide. They weigh aprox. 1100lbs from factory.
I do not have brakes on my 62 and have driven it up and down and around some big mountains, same with my 65. I have pulled them both with a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, small SUV. No problems.
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Post by danrhodes on Feb 12, 2016 11:13:20 GMT -8
Compacts are 13ft to tongue, 10ft box and 6' 6" wide. They weigh aprox. 1100lbs from factory. I do not have brakes on my 62 and have driven it up and down and around some big mountains, same with my 65. I have pulled them both with a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, small SUV. No problems. I guess a toaster has a few advantages...not cute, but pretty space efficient. Thanks for the info.
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Post by bigbill on Feb 12, 2016 14:32:29 GMT -8
Compacts are 13ft to tongue, 10ft box and 6' 6" wide. They weigh aprox. 1100lbs from factory. I do not have brakes on my 62 and have driven it up and down and around some big mountains, same with my 65. I have pulled them both with a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, small SUV. No problems. Many people have pulled much larger trailers with no Problems. BUT has yours or someone elses life ever depended on now fast you can stop? I have to admit that in my life I have towed 20,000 lb loaded trailers without brakes with no problems, but that was because I was lucky. Had someone or thing pulled out in front of me who knows who might have died. I have brakes on all my trailers now. I would hate to have to live with the knowledge that if I had brakes on the trailer and been able to have stopped a few feet quicker some child on a bike would still be alive. Plus if something causes your trailer to start swaying many times a light tap on the trailer brakes will straighten it out. Another thing to remember you are stopping loaded weight which usually is several hundred pounds more than advertised weight. Also be advised that if you have an accident in a state that has a brake weight limit that you exceed you could be facing a felony prison sentence if someone is killed. What I am saying is make up your own mind and decide if you want to spend a few hundred dollars to make you and your loved ones safer or take your chances then live with whatever happens. Good Luck in what ever you decide. One additional thing they will weigh your trailer as it sits you will not be allowed to unload it. The charge could be vehicular homicide.
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Post by Hamlet on Feb 12, 2016 16:12:40 GMT -8
If you've got 'em, hook 'em back up. We don't have brakes on our Compact, so when we are on the road, we cap our speed at 60 and leave plenty of room around us whenever possible. There are websites that list the brake weight limit in each state (some have a limit, some don't). They vary quite a bit and are not dependent on the tow vehicle, but solely on the weight of the trailer, the lowest is a bit under 1500 pounds. The unloaded weight of a ham-style Compact is about 1100. So even if you're pulling your Compact with a monster truck, you'd still have to have brakes on the trailer.
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Post by mel on Feb 12, 2016 16:34:21 GMT -8
Hooking the current brakes up is not an option as one of them was stuck out not allowing the camper to be towed at all, so I had to tear them apart. If I decide to go that route I will have to buy new brakes, which I have priced out at around $100 including wiring. Just thought I would get opinions and see what other have and how they feel about them.
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Post by Ten on Feb 12, 2016 20:10:35 GMT -8
Then, if the only question, the Primary question, is, "what do I think of trailer brakes?" I would have to answer that you will not spend a better couple hundred bucks on this trailer. I have driven all types and sizes of trailers and I love having the brakes. One of my most scary rides was pulling for my Dad one time, with a long and heavy cargo draped over the ends of a snowmobile trailer with no brakes, and pulled down the mile-and-a-half long hill to the lake. The truck's brakes were smoked by the bottom, and that was the exact time in life that I determined that he really truly was nuts.
I have new ones on my SC, and the rig pulls like a dream. I have not had the experience of loading up all the gear and taking off with it yet, but I am confident that the rig is going to pull and it is going to stop and it will stay straight. That's the peace of mind you can't put a price on.
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Post by kirkadie on Feb 12, 2016 21:05:01 GMT -8
And as to bigbill's reply, getting passed by a big rig or whatever and getting trailer sway can quickly be remedied by a tap on the brakes. Having experienced that with our old 21 footer, brakes saved me from having to change pants at the next rest stop.
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Post by SusieQ on Feb 12, 2016 21:05:40 GMT -8
Let me clarify that my Jeep is a 6 cyl with a tow package rated at 4500 lbs. There is a weight limit in my state for brakes and I think it is 3000 lbs and they have to be inspected yearly.
I have no problem stopping, even in the hills. I barely know it is there as far as towing and braking but as I have shared with Mel, my gas mileage really drops (unlike with my teardrop). Neither the canned ham or toaster version of the Compacts are aerodynamic!
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Post by bigbill on Feb 13, 2016 5:48:46 GMT -8
Let me clarify that my Jeep is a 6 cyl with a tow package rated at 4500 lbs. There is a weight limit in my state for brakes and I think it is 3000 lbs and they have to be inspected yearly. I have no problem stopping, even in the hills. I barely know it is there as far as towing and braking but as I have shared with Mel, my gas mileage really drops (unlike with my teardrop). Neither the canned ham or toaster version of the Compacts are aerodynamic! Some states don't even have a limit but do you ever tow it out of state? If involved in an accident they will go by the laws in the state of occurrence for both civil and criminal charges. You may tow a million miles and never have an incident or you might be having a bad day and pull out in front of someone. We never plan on an accident, if we knew they were coming they wouldn't be an accident. On a normal stop most vehicles will stop a lite trailer without much effort because of power brake systems. BUT hook up your trailer and get your speed up to a reasonable speed of 50 mph and attempt an emergency stop as you would if a semi had just pulled out blocking the entire road right in front of you. measure the distance traveled before a complete stop. Now do the same thing without the trailer. Then decide if a few hundred dollars would be worth the investment to maybe prevent serious injury or worse to you or your loved ones, not even thinking about other people you could cause injury to. I know you think I am nuts because you could never have an accident, be found legally responsible and be sued for millions of dollars or wind up behind bars for several years. Something like this could only happen to someone else, like McDonald for selling hot coffee. I don't wish to sound like a pessimist but stuff happens and the life you save could be mine. By the way my Silverado has a tow package of 9000 lbs and my trailers still have brakes on them. Life teaches us many things some we learn easy some we learn the hard way. Just my thoughts may God bless you and keep you safe.
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Post by gspgilly on Feb 13, 2016 7:52:58 GMT -8
Check the laws for trailer brakes in the states you plan on using your camper in, the state I live in it is 3000 lbs but if the trailer has brakes they must be working. Getting trailer brakes working is not costly,they are easy to work on, saves wear and tear on tow vehicle,improves safety. If it was my trailer I would use them.
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Post by bigbill on Feb 13, 2016 10:21:21 GMT -8
Fact I thought you might not know. 1. Bumper-pulls This is generally the most convenient. Simply slide the trailer hitch onto the back of any equipped car or truck and away you go! With one important exception – max weight allowance. Many cars and trucks are rated for a certain amount. This takes into account what the engine, chassis, and brakes can handle on a normally graded (± 5º) road. The very second you deviate or attempt to overload max capacity – you’re putting your vehicle and your health in jeopardy. Bumper pull trailers are extremely popular because they can be made to fit a variety of makes and models. As long as your back hitch has the same clearance as the resting bumper hitch, you can probably pull it. A different matter altogether is whether your vehicle is rated to pull it plus cargo. I copied this info because I thought it would be of interest to you. If you notice it explains the towing capacity rating of a vehicle is rated for a 5 degree grade up or down. as you travel around the country to will encounter many hills with 10 degree or more grades, which drastically changes your towing capacity. If you aren't certain what a five degree grade looks like take sheet of paper and a protector and draw it out you may be shocked at how shallow of a slope that is. This is why many of us say to not exceed 50% of your vehicles towing capacity.
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