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Post by kirkadie on Sept 20, 2015 19:07:39 GMT -8
Still amazed at how many little pieces of framing. Yours will be a pretty easy redo as there are really no big curves, so let the fun begin! By the way, I'm not sold on anything wrong with staples, in fact when it comes time to start screwing down stuff, staples will grudgingly move out of the way, where as heads of screws, even kregs will not. It's the leaks that were the problem here, not the staples. That said, they do show a penance for shoddy workmanship...
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Post by peterekstrom on Sept 20, 2015 19:36:35 GMT -8
I have to say I'm surprised at the amount of leakage in a '76. My '69, which obviously had never been cared for, only had corner rot. Somehow, I thought, during my unit's time, stuff was made to last only a moment, and as time progressed the industry got better at what they made. You are doing it all exactly right, taking it all down. Looks to me like mostly Jrail leakage since the wood still looks good around the windows (front anyway). Bad butyl tape? Weak frame which caused too much flex? I guess we'll see as you get dowm to the frame. No real curves so how hard could it be to install edge sealant. I'm also surprised at how many little sticks were used, almost like the Kit factory decided to only use cut-offs. It will be a great opportunity to frame it up better than original. Make sure and save stuff for templates because your skins look great and you will want to be able to re-use them. Ought to be a fun project. I was really amazed at the type of framing and the size of the material. I told my wife they must have emptied the scrap barrel on this one.
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Post by peterekstrom on Sept 20, 2015 19:40:31 GMT -8
Still amazed at how many little pieces of framing. Yours will be a pretty easy redo as there are really no big curves, so let the fun begin! By the way, I'm not sold on anything wrong with staples, in fact when it comes time to start screwing down stuff, staples will grudgingly move out of the way, where as heads of screws, even kregs will not. It's the leaks that were the problem here, not the staples. That said, they do show a penance for shoddy workmanship... Speaking of staples, I'm planning of reattaching the alum siding with 7/16" crown staples. Anyone have any recommendations on a good pneumatic stapler.
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Post by peterekstrom on Sept 20, 2015 19:49:35 GMT -8
The frame is now free of any organic material, namely wood. About halfway thru cleaning up the frame and have painted some of it with Rustolium Rust Reformer. Starting to look like a nice clean slate...
For me, the real hard part is to not go overboard in rebuilding the new framing. I've done a lot of high end furniture making and I instinctively want to include interesting joinery, even though it'll never show. I just want to make it as strong as possible.
Is it possible to make the frame too rigid? Should there be some flex or give to the complete structure?
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Post by vikx on Sept 20, 2015 21:59:12 GMT -8
I make my frames pretty sturdy. I think that some flex is going to happen but most of the time, the nature of wood is to flex somewhat. I build 'em STRONG.
Also, attach thru the floor framing with good carriage bolts. You want that body well secured.
JMO
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Post by kirkadie on Sept 21, 2015 4:10:07 GMT -8
No through dovetails needed on the walls of these babies, but you should have some fun with the cabinets...
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Post by danrhodes on Sept 21, 2015 7:45:19 GMT -8
The frame is now free of any organic material, namely wood. About halfway thru cleaning up the frame and have painted some of it with Rustolium Rust Reformer. Starting to look like a nice clean slate... For me, the real hard part is to not go overboard in rebuilding the new framing. I've done a lot of high end furniture making and I instinctively want to include interesting joinery, even though it'll never show. I just want to make it as strong as possible. Is it possible to make the frame too rigid? Should there be some flex or give to the complete structure? Seems unlikely you are going to make 3/4" framing that strong, so I'd do what your intuition tells you. These things have lasted for 60 years as is and were meant to be very light and towable, but I am planning on replacing a lot of 1-2 inch boards with much thicker material, such as 8-10" for the sill boards and corner curves.
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Post by peterekstrom on Sept 21, 2015 19:05:50 GMT -8
The frame is now free of any organic material, namely wood. About halfway thru cleaning up the frame and have painted some of it with Rustolium Rust Reformer. Starting to look like a nice clean slate... For me, the real hard part is to not go overboard in rebuilding the new framing. I've done a lot of high end furniture making and I instinctively want to include interesting joinery, even though it'll never show. I just want to make it as strong as possible. Is it possible to make the frame too rigid? Should there be some flex or give to the complete structure? Seems unlikely you are going to make 3/4" framing that strong, so I'd do what your intuition tells you. These things have lasted for 60 years as is and were meant to be very light and towable, but I am planning on replacing a lot of 1-2 inch boards with much thicker material, such as 8-10" for the sill boards and corner curves. I'm upgrading to 1" thick mystery wood. I work for a large HVAC contractor and the other day a 16' long packing crate was hauled over to the dumpster. Not sure how they intended the garbage man to deal with it, but luckily I got there 1st. Most of the boards were 8' long, 8-10" wide and a full 1" thick. Beautiful wood. Looks like yellow pine but seems a bit heavy & hard for pine. Never-the-less, I have all the wood I could ever need for the trailer.
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Post by peterekstrom on Sept 21, 2015 19:15:35 GMT -8
The newly bared frame. Painted frame with start of floor supports added. I've painted the bottom of the plywood with black Rust-Oleum 4X Deck Restore paint. Almost need a trowel for this stuff. I think this will give some good protection.
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Post by peterekstrom on Sept 21, 2015 19:18:44 GMT -8
I couldn't help myself. Needed to do at least a bit of higher end wood working today. Pulled out the Jointer Plane to straighten the edge of the 2x8 before I cut the needed 3" strip off.
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Post by diymom on Sept 21, 2015 20:02:43 GMT -8
What the heck, even the builder was confused about the quality of the build...not a good sign. You are moving quite fast on the trailer....sooooooo envious!
I'm really interested in what you will do with the interior.
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Post by peterekstrom on Sept 21, 2015 20:46:09 GMT -8
That's pretty much my wife's domain. The plan now is to make it look a bit like a 50's Coleman'esk cabin. Knotty pine paneling and very simple inside. No fridge or stove. Looking for an old vertical Colemen cooler and will also use an old Coleman whitegas camp stove.
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Post by amyekstrom on Sept 21, 2015 21:05:43 GMT -8
This is sort of my inspiration for the inside!
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Post by diymom on Sept 21, 2015 22:30:45 GMT -8
So, your whole family, including your kids will wear plaids and flannels too, of course!
I know exactly what cooler you are talking about!
If you have a surplus army navy store around, you can get old army blankets that are wool...they are ridiculously durable. I use them for camping, and a ton of other things...they are army green... sometimes they are very, very, cheap!
Do make cute, washable pillows, my three year old loves our trailer pillows, well, he loved them...now they are with the trailer's new owner. But seriously, it was so much fun playing with him and the pillows in the Shasta. Also, balloons...
Sounds like you will have a fabulous family camper...and soon! Yikes! Slow down, you're making us look bad!
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Post by peterekstrom on Sept 22, 2015 7:37:27 GMT -8
So, your whole family, including your kids will wear plaids and flannels too, of course! I know exactly what cooler you are talking about! If you have a surplus army navy store around, you can get old army blankets that are wool...they are ridiculously durable. I use them for camping, and a ton of other things...they are army green... sometimes they are very, very, cheap! Do make cute, washable pillows, my three year old loves our trailer pillows, well, he loved them...now they are with the trailer's new owner. But seriously, it was so much fun playing with him and the pillows in the Shasta. Also, balloons... Sounds like you will have a fabulous family camper...and soon! Yikes! Slow down, you're making us look bad! Sorry, as my wife can attest, I only have one speed, FULL!
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