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Post by cheri on Jul 9, 2015 14:56:47 GMT -8
When I installed the door following reframing the camper body, it never did close quite right. I decided to look inside to see what was wrong. Yuck, I expected to find rot, but what's with the card board? There are two rods on the handle side of the door I imagine they are suppose to strengthen it. Are they really necessary? Also, would it be a mistake to use a much wider board under the window. I would like a solid board to put the door handle and dead bolt through, or would it be bad to increase the weight of the door. Last question, for now, would styrofoam insulation work to replace the cardboard? Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cheri
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Post by nccamper on Jul 9, 2015 15:49:28 GMT -8
I would go with wider boards but not thicker. Try to rebuild so the dimensions stay the same. I think the strength would be improved with bolts (countersink) holding it together and cross members to keep it rigid. A little extra weight shouldn't be an issue if the hinge can handle it.
Shasta doors are basically held togther by the aluminum. They couldn't make them any thinner. In comparison, your door framing doesn't look bad.
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Post by bigbill on Jul 9, 2015 16:20:54 GMT -8
Yes to all your questions. I use oak when building a new door and I kreg screw it together. I also use wider boards (not thicker) plus on some doors I add cross bracing. Foam is the only insulation I use in a door. I also don't reinstall the steel rods in a kreg screwed door, I leave them out, just my opinion but I don't have problems since I use hard wood and good fasteners.
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Post by Ten on Jul 9, 2015 16:42:07 GMT -8
The cardboard in the Shasta door was honeycomb and actually does a lot for the strength of the door without the weight. It isn't there now though...I did use styrofoam, and some spray adhesive, also the Kreg jig for the corners. I added a brace at the bottom of the frame.
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Post by vikx on Jul 9, 2015 21:34:22 GMT -8
Everyone is spot on. Build it stronger (crossboards) and insulate with foam. Isn't it amazing what was used in the old doors??
Ten, you've been playing in the styrofoam with all those little white beads...
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Post by Ross on Jul 10, 2015 4:01:44 GMT -8
Do you have a Scotty or a Shasta? Reason being, I notice that there is a groove, running from to bottom, on the door lock side. Is there a hole in the bottom of the door skin, on the door lock side. If so, there should have been a rusty threaded rod in the groove. This needs to be replaced and reinstalled. The door needs to be able to bend. By tightening the threaded rod, it will cause the door to bow slightly, thus insuring that it gets good contact when the door is closed. Here are some pictures that I posted on another thread: Here are a few pictures of our Starflyte door. Bottom of the doorThe inside door skin has been removedGetting ready to replace the rusted threaded rod and nuts
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Post by cheri on Jul 10, 2015 5:34:14 GMT -8
Do you have a Scotty or a Shasta? Reason being, I notice that there is a groove, running from to bottom, on the door lock side. Is there a hole in the bottom of the door skin, on the door lock side. If so, there should have been a rusty threaded rod in the groove. This needs to be replaced and reinstalled. The door needs to be able to bend. By tightening the threaded rod, it will cause the door to bow slightly, thus insuring that it gets good contact when the door is closed. Here are some pictures that I posted on another thread: Here are a few pictures of our Starflyte door. Bottom of the doorThe inside door skin has been removedGetting ready to replace the rusted threaded rod and nuts
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Post by cheri on Jul 10, 2015 5:57:01 GMT -8
Thanks a bunch everyone for the advice. You are all awesome!
My trailer is a Vanbrook. I haven't found any others.
Rod, thanks for the pictures. Yes, that's almost what I have. There is a rod similar the the pictures of the starflyte door except mine has two rods, one above the door handle and one below. The top is still intact and looks very similar to yours. I'm not sure that two rods would create the same effect as one??
The cut out for the door handle goes all the way through the wood and to the edge. It seems I should do something about that. I am hoping I can use one long edge board and set the lockset into it.
I sure wish the builders has used standard sized lumber. I' be done in a couple hours, but finding boards to match the 1 and 5/8ths is a bit of a problem and I don't have a planer. :-(
I'm hoping my brother in-law can rip that close on his table saw.
Thanks again, Cheri
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Post by mobiltec on Jul 10, 2015 13:57:13 GMT -8
Thanks a bunch everyone for the advice. You are all awesome! My trailer is a Vanbrook. I haven't found any others. Rod, thanks for the pictures. Yes, that's almost what I have. There is a rod similar the the pictures of the starflyte door except mine has two rods, one above the door handle and one below. The top is still intact and looks very similar to yours. I'm not sure that two rods would create the same effect as one?? The cut out for the door handle goes all the way through the wood and to the edge. It seems I should do something about that. I am hoping I can use one long edge board and set the lockset into it. I sure wish the builders has used standard sized lumber. I' be done in a couple hours, but finding boards to match the 1 and 5/8ths is a bit of a problem and I don't have a planer. :-( I'm hoping my brother in-law can rip that close on his table saw. Thanks again, Cheri That's why I bought my cheap little lightweight table saw from HF for about $100 on sale and using a coupon. Now I make all my own framing and I can store the little table saw on it's side anywhere. They are very light weight.
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Post by turbodaddy on Jul 10, 2015 16:39:58 GMT -8
Harbor Freight with all of its cheap stuff from China has become my favorite store. My latest purchases were a "flame thrower" that I use to burn the weeds in our bluestone driveway and a 1/2" corded drill. I think both cost $29. As much as I dislike it, I guess we just have to embrace the fact that the good old USA is not a major manufacturing entity presently. Perhaps that will change, I DO hope so, especially since my background was in manufacturing engineering.
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Post by Ten on Jul 10, 2015 17:07:25 GMT -8
Harbor Freight with all of its cheap stuff from China has become my favorite store. My latest purchases were a "flame thrower" that I use to burn the weeds in our bluestone driveway and a 1/2" corded drill. I think both cost $29. As much as I dislike it, I guess we just have to embrace the fact that the good old USA is not a major manufacturing entity presently. Perhaps that will change, I DO hope so, especially since my background was in manufacturing engineering. Should not say anything at all here...last time I got at all politically inclined the whole thread disappeared. I get a little passionate when I make my claim that I have not been in a walmart in two years. I used to think HF was a great source of tools for this hobby.... But I think we are better off crafting our tools out of bones and stones than supporting "global economy". Sure hope uneducated (by design) Americans wake up to the truth about our manufacturing (rather, lack thereof...) and how it relates to "global" trade policies.
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Post by cheri on Jul 15, 2015 16:00:26 GMT -8
Thanks to everyone's advice and Ross's great pictures of the tension rods, I got my door reframed and put back on the camper. I did put the tensioners back in. (one goes up from the door handle, the other goes down), and it is nice and straight and snug. Kind of odd that you have to take out the door handle to adjust tension, but it works. I was actually beginning to think that it was a really easy project until I hung it. I didn't realize how tight and square you have to get the aluminum in order for the piano hing to work properly, so I had to take it off, prebend the corners and hang it again. It worked the second time. Thanks for the help. Cheri
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Post by mobiltec on Jul 15, 2015 16:06:01 GMT -8
Thanks to everyone's advice and Ross's great pictures of the tension rods, I got my door reframed and put back on the camper. I did put the tensioners back in. (one goes up from the door handle, the other goes down), and it is nice and straight and snug. Kind of odd that you have to take out the door handle to adjust tension, but it works. I was actually beginning to think that it was a really easy project until I hung it. I didn't realize how tight and square you have to get the aluminum in order for the piano hing to work properly, so I had to take it off, prebend the corners and hang it again. It worked the second time. Thanks for the help. Cheri Congrats Cheri. I don't believe I have ever hung a rebuilt door in a trailer and had it fit right the very first time.
UPDATE. Ok I did do one and it fit the first time. This video is kinda long but it get's fun in the middle. This one ended up fitting the first time.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Jul 15, 2015 16:49:52 GMT -8
My door is metal on both sides. Is this normal? I would like to put wood on the inside when I rebuild it..
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Post by mobiltec on Jul 15, 2015 17:41:55 GMT -8
My door is metal on both sides. Is this normal? I would like to put wood on the inside when I rebuild it.. Yes it's normal for certain years and models. Nothing wrong with replacing it with wood but you may have to sand an 1/8 inch off the wooden door frame to get it all to fit back together.
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