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Post by mitchell on Jun 4, 2015 2:18:10 GMT -8
I need to fabricate a New door, screen door and jamb. I am not sure about the configuration of the jamb and how the exterior doors is mounted, I have seen in most cases piano hinge , but how would you seal the hinge side ?
screen door: How is the mounting system installed so as to operate in conjunction with the exterior door?
direction to pics would be helpful.
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Post by RinTin on Jun 4, 2015 6:20:34 GMT -8
What year/model is your trailer? Are you trying to restore the trailer as originally built or just making it functional?
By the mid 60's many if not most manufacturers had done away with separate entry and screen doors, incorporating opening/screened windows in the entry door instead. It would be easiest for you if you could do it this way.
Typically, special continuous (piano) hinges with offset leafs for the screen door were used for separate screen/entry doors. To my knowledge, these hinges are NLA new, so if you wanted to go this way, you'd have to source some used or come up with another way to do it. It can be done, but how depends on how the new doors are built, how thick they are, etc. You will need to have it all figured out BEFORE building the doors.
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Post by vintagebruce on Jun 4, 2015 6:43:51 GMT -8
If I'm not mistaken, Mitchell has the 1949 Little Caesar, working a frame off rebuild. Wonder if trailertrasher would have any door related parts from a Little Caesar from that era. Mitchell. You might want to contact PhilnRuthie who did that pictorial Youtube video of their 1952 Little Caesar and open a dialogue with him to see what suggestions he might have. He did have an original door with proper hinges for both the screen and exterior door, but he might have some alternative ideas if you do not have your originals. I think this might be a thread to their home page. The fact that the little Caesar had/has plywood walls might make door framing a bit easier. Good Luck! www.youtube.com/channel/UCLO8JxllO6ScNokZgUVBo7w |
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Post by mitchell on Jun 4, 2015 9:57:28 GMT -8
Thanks your right ,I do have a "49 Caesar". It has a door , and a screen door ( both beyond repair), the skin and plywood panel needs to be re-built. I just was not sure how the screen door was hinged so both the door and screen door opened in suite.
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Post by vintagebruce on Jun 4, 2015 10:32:57 GMT -8
On my 1950 Travelo the outer door has the piano hinge type hinge (sealed against leakage probably with a butyl tape type sealant similar to the rain guards above the windows and door) and the screen door has a set of (I think) 3 hinges, I'm not near the Travelo as I type this, that fold and are screwed into the inside edge of the door frame and the corresponding edge of the screen door. The screen door can open in suite with the outer door if a little clip thingy is clipped to a receiver on the inside of the outer door. If the clip is not attached, then I can open the outer door, while the screen stays closed. If I then want both doors open and secure, I position the outer door handle to the "stop/holder" attached to the skin of the camper and then clip the screen door clip to the aforementioned receiver...viola! a gust of wind does not slam the doors shut.
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Post by davek on Jun 6, 2015 20:00:24 GMT -8
My 1954 Little Caesar has a piano style hinge with three mounts for the screen door interlaced into it.   (Sorry if the pictures show up double) |
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Post by vikx on Jun 6, 2015 21:30:40 GMT -8
These hinges are a little "stiff" because of the long wire holding them together. Your door/screen door don't look horrible. Can you post more pix of the entire thing? Might be rebuild-able...
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Post by mitchell on Jun 7, 2015 5:36:14 GMT -8
Thanks, it looked as though that in this design the screen door was designed to swing in, opposite of the exterior door? Although both doors are hinged on the same side. Is that the case?
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Post by davek on Jun 7, 2015 5:58:05 GMT -8
They swing the same direction. They can be opened together or you can open only the main door and leave the screen closed. I will dig through my photos to see if I have any from before I took the trailer apart.
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Post by bigbill on Jun 7, 2015 6:32:00 GMT -8
If you look at the above pictures a new proper size piano hinge can be modified to swing a screen door by making the proper cuts and welding an extension on to the tabs you cut free to hold the screen door. This is fairly easy to do just pay attention to where you need to cut the hinge so that exterior door is still supported properly.
As for sealing the hinge side most trailers don't bother but I have seen some hinges covered with vinyl. I am not certain that this doesn't cause more corrosion than leaving them uncovered but to each his or her own.
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Post by mitchell on Jun 8, 2015 5:59:05 GMT -8
the photos seem to indicate that the piano hinge is actually mounted on the exterior of the doorjamb? this would be exposed or would it have some sort of trim on the hinge side. just looking at all the screw holes ( putty)?
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Post by RinTin on Jun 8, 2015 8:05:18 GMT -8
No, although the hinge barrel is exposed to the exterior so the door and screen can both swing out, one hinge leaf is screwed to the inside edge of the door jamb, the other to the edge of the door so that when the doors are closed, the hinge is folded totally flat up against itself. At the very least, a piece of "L" metal trim is needed to cover the siding, wrapping around the corner and lying flat against the inside edge of the door jamb. The hinge is then installed over this trim piece. Use putty tape between this trim and the siding. You can also use putty tape or butyl caulk between the hinge and the trim piece although it likely was not originally done.
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Post by mitchell on Jun 8, 2015 12:28:37 GMT -8
Got it, thanks, so the exterior flange of the door is three sided only?
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Post by RinTin on Jun 8, 2015 13:22:13 GMT -8
Got it, thanks, so the exterior flange of the door is three sided only? Yes, top, bottom and strike side. |
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