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Post by preacher on Jul 16, 2021 2:42:19 GMT -8
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Post by preacher on Jul 16, 2021 2:58:34 GMT -8
The roof on this trailer, the flat part, is galvanized steel. The Frolic has 2x2 framing. Where the roof meets the framing there is a black substance, looks like tar, has a rubber consistency, and has fabric tape embedded in it. It is clearly different than the putty tape. I'm "lifting" the roof enough to add insulation. (I'm saving the ceiling, I'm peeling the plastic covering off of it and will paint it.) Apparently, this black stuff is good stuff. So far I haven't seen any sign that water got in. Any advice on what I should put back will be appreciated.
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Post by vikx on Jul 16, 2021 12:24:01 GMT -8
Your link goes to something connected to Mobiltec's site. Photos would help us help you.
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Post by oldman on Jul 16, 2021 16:29:40 GMT -8
Your link goes to something connected to Mobiltec's site. Photos would help us help you. It is a link to his blog. You can see pics of his trailer in the blog posts. There just happens to be a pic from Mobiltec's site on the last post. Preacher, I wish I knew what kind material that black stuff is. I had the same material on my trailer with the fiber cloth, even on all of the seams. I've thought about using this. www.amazon.com/dp/B004IZCRGS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_YRPWH7PFW7NW4BHGEVXV?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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Post by preacher on Jul 16, 2021 18:16:04 GMT -8
Thanks. The product you mention looks like it would do the same thing as what was there. What kind of trailer do you have? I'll see if I can get a picture that shows this stuff for what it is. Most of the descriptive qualities, however, are not visual. It is still sticky after 50+ years. It has the cloth embedded in it. It is like black putty tape with a thin cloth core. Thanks, all.
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Post by oldman on Jul 17, 2021 9:10:09 GMT -8
Yep that's sounds exactly like the stuff on my trailer. Mine is a Yellowstone.
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Post by preacher on Jul 19, 2021 3:13:07 GMT -8
Hey Oldman, I read a bit on the 2-sided eternabond. I already knew the reputation of the stuff. "Once it's stuck it's stuck. That's a big piece of metal. I'm concerned about misalignment. I was already planning to use the corner seam tape under my aluminum edge molding (mine isn't really J-rail. It's the kind you can put the vinyl strip on to cover the screws. So, I've about decided to use thin putty tape between the galvanized roof section and the 2x2 framing that runs on each side. There are a couple of inches of overlap where the steel sets over the aluminum on the front and rear. I haven't totally made up my mind on that, but will probably use side-by-side putty tape. I may cover the edge of the steel front and rear with a piece of the corner-seal tape. I plan to paint the whole galvanized portion with elasomeric, including the first few inches of aluminum after the transition.
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Post by oldman on Jul 19, 2021 10:30:15 GMT -8
Preacher, sounds exactly like mine. The galvanized steel overlaps a good 2 inches or more over the aluminum on both ends. That's why I was thinking the 2" wide stuff. Still thinking about it.
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Post by preacher on Sept 14, 2021 7:51:44 GMT -8
Hi,
I'm installing a Norcold 323, 1.7 cu.ft. refrigerator in the Frolic. The Installation manual says it takes 617485 (upper) & 617454 (lower) vents. It also says I can use universal vents, 620505. I'd rather not use these because they are bigger. It seems everywhere I look the 617s are out of stock. I also have a question about the 620: Does it open easily so as to get to the controls?
Any help is appreciated.
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Post by vikx on Sept 14, 2021 12:28:13 GMT -8
I've installed a couple of 323s with orig. vintage venting. Depends on the trailer and what was there originally. I will say that the manual light (or piezo ligher) type fridges are better than a 2 way with a circuit board. When a fridge relies on a circuit board, you must have a 12 volt system (at least a battery and fused line) to operate it.
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Post by preacher on Sept 14, 2021 15:13:15 GMT -8
Thanks. I appreciate the encouragement about reliability. This trailer has no ref. vents. It had an ice-box. So I have to install some new vents. This is a first for me, but I have read a lot of manuals and tried to follow a lot of directions. I'll say this for Norcold: their installation instructions are quite clear. As my dad used to say, "This time and once more will make twice that I've done this." Right now, though, the enclosure I've built in the cabinet is the best frig enclosure I've ever built. Thanks again. hm
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Post by preacher on Oct 25, 2021 19:22:06 GMT -8
I continue to make progress on the Frolic. If you want to check it out you can look at the blog. 68frolic.blogspot.com/Three sides and roof are covered. Started doing some interior work. 2 windows reinstalled, 1 more ready to go in. Electric mostly done. Gas pretty well done. A lot of figuring out done. (No doubt much more to come.
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Post by preacher on Nov 11, 2021 16:01:28 GMT -8
The Frolic from Mt. Nebo is getting to a point so she looks like something. Got a couple more windows to put back in, then I'll be ready to run a heater and work inside. I made use of a tool that isn't intended for a trailer. I figure the idea might help somebody else. The Frolic's window panes are surrounded by aluminum frames. I needed to clean the aluminum up but didn't want to scratch the glass. A drywall knife worked very well. I think this one is a ten inch. I used a narrower one for the ends. Simply hold the knife against the edge of the aluminum molding, then have at it with the steel wool. An added benefit is, this cleans up the business edge of the drywall knife.
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Post by preacher on Jan 20, 2022 19:54:02 GMT -8
I removed the old flooring: Until recently I had been planning to keep the old flooring, original--fifty-four-years old. A couple of weeks ago I changed my mind. The Frolic will have a new floor. Leaning on the wisdom above, that meant the old was coming out. I soon found that the old floor liked being stuck to the subfloor. The eviction wouldn't be easy. The membrane that makes up the top layer of the sheet-flooring came off fairly easily, though a good bit of elbow grease was required. That left a layer of black fibrous stuff. A stand-up scraper and a putty knife didn't faze it much at all. I tried a wire brush on my grinder. It sort of worked but made a horrendous mess. The belt sander was of little use. As far as machines, my oscillating tool with a scraper blade did pretty well, but it was still slow going. Finally, I thought I'd wet the stuff down. At first, the H2O ran off the stuff like water off a duck, but I found that if I rubbed it in--I found sort of painting it with a broom worked well--the nasty black stuff would mostly surrender to the stand-up scraper. This was much appreciated by my old back and knees. What remained could be cared for pretty quickly with the oscillating tool. I have overcome. More here, 68frolic.blogspot.com/2022/01/removing-old-flooring-and-paint-and.htmlI'm not sure, yet, what I'm going to put back. I'm leaning toward a laminate, but I'm open to suggestions. I'd especially like to hear from folk who put down flooring in the past and are still pleased with it, or wish they had done something else. Keep warm, Preacher
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Post by preacher on Feb 10, 2022 16:58:08 GMT -8
Frolic never had a gray-water tank. I found out today that the black-water tank has a big hole in the top and a number of cracks. (More info. here, 68frolic.blogspot.com/2022/02/ive-been-busy-so-has-irresistible.html. I could order another black-water tank. I could go with a cassette. I'm not sure what, if anything, to do about the lack of a gray-water tank. I suppose I could put a gray in the space currently occupied by the black and then go with a cassette. I'm wondering if I can get by without one. I'd really appreciate the thoughts and ideas of you more experienced campers and/or trailer restorers. Thanks
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