Post by django on Feb 23, 2018 12:06:04 GMT -8
I am hopeful this is the correct thread regarding my issue.
I live in Arizona and the title discussion below pertains to a correct Arizona State Highway Department Certificate of Title.
I have a 1955 Shasta 1400 purchased a few years ago from the sweet 92 year old original owner. At time of purchase I had her notarize the tile and sign in the correct blank. I then filled my name as purchaser all as per instructions on the title.The trailer was bought new someplace in California. Owner moved to Arizona in 1962.
There is an area that reads Engine or ID No.which is blank
Below that is an area that reads Serial No. in which is typed C then 4 digits which I will remain from entering here
Below that is an area that reads Previous title NO. TTT 5 digits
State Calif.
Date 2-8-62
Trailer has Az license plate last registered in 81
Inside of cabinet above sink are 14 years worth of registration slips taped with scotch taped to the door. All have the same name and serial number as the title.
Bought the trailer a few years ago and it has been on property since. Have many projects so just go around to transfer yesterday at local Motor Vehicle.
Walked in and waited my turn. When my #was called a sat down and headed the lady my title and drivers license. She looks at it and says there will be a $100 fine for not transferring with in 15 days. OK says I. She types in to her computer then looks closer at the title, makes a frown and heads in to some back room. Returns a few minutes later and informs me the trailer will have to be inspected. I ask why? because there is no VIN on the title and trailer is not in our system. I say there is no VIN #because there is a serial # as listed in the appropriate box. She says that does not mean anything. There has to be a VIN in this box. Rather than argue further, I ask when can I get the trailer inspected. To which she replies after 2PM Monday thru Friday. I ask for a temp plate so I can transport. She issues a paper one for the low price of $1.
I drive home and hook up the trailer then proceed to look for the serial number. Yes this is the first time I have looked because I never once felt that it would be an issue. Wire brushed side and top of tongue on drivers side as I thought that was where I would find the #. Reason being I have a 1954 Aljoa and that is where the # is. Found nothing. Figured what the heck I'll head back in to MVD and see what happens. Surely with the title and all the registration slips that should do.
I WAS WRONG. When the same lady came out to do the inspection she wanted to know where the VIN plate was. Again I told her would be a serial # but I did know location. She then said again there has to be a VIN plate and refused to look any further saying I needed to schedule a level 2 inspection. I asked her is she had ever inspected a 1955 Shasta before and that perhaps things were different re serial # and vin# back then. Very snotty after that. I asked if she would please take a look at the registrations that match the title. She refused saying those and the title were just paper and meant nothing. For all she new the trailer could be stolen. May I please speak with your supervisor Mam?
10 Minutes later another lady comes out with a copy of my title . She is more pleasant but still adamant that there must be a VIN and that it is blank on the title where there should be a VIN number. I do my best to stay calm and point out that perhaps in 1955 things were different . She bends a bit and agrees. I ask her to please give me the courtesy of looking at all of the reg slips. She does but says the same, these and the title are only paper. This trailer could be stolen. I ask what about the signed and notarized title from the state of Arizona I have her in my hand. Her reply... after 15 years all records are purged so as far MVD is concerned this trailer does not exist.
What is my option now? You have to schedule a level 2 inspection.
What if the level 2 guy does not find a VIN or Serial number?
Then you have to apply for a bonded title.
I must say at this point I was livid but thanked her and left.
Stopped at the liquor store and bought a bottle of good bourbon which I planned on pouring a good 4 fingers worth when I get home. I live 22 miles from towboat in the sticks so I had plenty of time to chill on the drive home.
Got home poured bourbon and sat down in front of the computer to see if I could find out where the serial # should be on this era Shasta. Found the thread on this site which states serial # should be on CURB side of tongue. Applied paint remover last night and let it set. Scraped of 2 layers of old paint and hit the whole side of the tongue with a wire brush. Found nothing. So at this point I figure get out some old stamps I have and stamp the # that is on the title where this site says it should be. Age it a little and go for my level 2 inspection. I don't see any other option since I am dealing with complete by the book MORONS who have no common sense.
Any thoughts or advice appreciated. IS there a possibility the serial # is someplace else?
Thanks for everyone who reads this rant
I live in Arizona and the title discussion below pertains to a correct Arizona State Highway Department Certificate of Title.
I have a 1955 Shasta 1400 purchased a few years ago from the sweet 92 year old original owner. At time of purchase I had her notarize the tile and sign in the correct blank. I then filled my name as purchaser all as per instructions on the title.The trailer was bought new someplace in California. Owner moved to Arizona in 1962.
There is an area that reads Engine or ID No.which is blank
Below that is an area that reads Serial No. in which is typed C then 4 digits which I will remain from entering here
Below that is an area that reads Previous title NO. TTT 5 digits
State Calif.
Date 2-8-62
Trailer has Az license plate last registered in 81
Inside of cabinet above sink are 14 years worth of registration slips taped with scotch taped to the door. All have the same name and serial number as the title.
Bought the trailer a few years ago and it has been on property since. Have many projects so just go around to transfer yesterday at local Motor Vehicle.
Walked in and waited my turn. When my #was called a sat down and headed the lady my title and drivers license. She looks at it and says there will be a $100 fine for not transferring with in 15 days. OK says I. She types in to her computer then looks closer at the title, makes a frown and heads in to some back room. Returns a few minutes later and informs me the trailer will have to be inspected. I ask why? because there is no VIN on the title and trailer is not in our system. I say there is no VIN #because there is a serial # as listed in the appropriate box. She says that does not mean anything. There has to be a VIN in this box. Rather than argue further, I ask when can I get the trailer inspected. To which she replies after 2PM Monday thru Friday. I ask for a temp plate so I can transport. She issues a paper one for the low price of $1.
I drive home and hook up the trailer then proceed to look for the serial number. Yes this is the first time I have looked because I never once felt that it would be an issue. Wire brushed side and top of tongue on drivers side as I thought that was where I would find the #. Reason being I have a 1954 Aljoa and that is where the # is. Found nothing. Figured what the heck I'll head back in to MVD and see what happens. Surely with the title and all the registration slips that should do.
I WAS WRONG. When the same lady came out to do the inspection she wanted to know where the VIN plate was. Again I told her would be a serial # but I did know location. She then said again there has to be a VIN plate and refused to look any further saying I needed to schedule a level 2 inspection. I asked her is she had ever inspected a 1955 Shasta before and that perhaps things were different re serial # and vin# back then. Very snotty after that. I asked if she would please take a look at the registrations that match the title. She refused saying those and the title were just paper and meant nothing. For all she new the trailer could be stolen. May I please speak with your supervisor Mam?
10 Minutes later another lady comes out with a copy of my title . She is more pleasant but still adamant that there must be a VIN and that it is blank on the title where there should be a VIN number. I do my best to stay calm and point out that perhaps in 1955 things were different . She bends a bit and agrees. I ask her to please give me the courtesy of looking at all of the reg slips. She does but says the same, these and the title are only paper. This trailer could be stolen. I ask what about the signed and notarized title from the state of Arizona I have her in my hand. Her reply... after 15 years all records are purged so as far MVD is concerned this trailer does not exist.
What is my option now? You have to schedule a level 2 inspection.
What if the level 2 guy does not find a VIN or Serial number?
Then you have to apply for a bonded title.
I must say at this point I was livid but thanked her and left.
Stopped at the liquor store and bought a bottle of good bourbon which I planned on pouring a good 4 fingers worth when I get home. I live 22 miles from towboat in the sticks so I had plenty of time to chill on the drive home.
Got home poured bourbon and sat down in front of the computer to see if I could find out where the serial # should be on this era Shasta. Found the thread on this site which states serial # should be on CURB side of tongue. Applied paint remover last night and let it set. Scraped of 2 layers of old paint and hit the whole side of the tongue with a wire brush. Found nothing. So at this point I figure get out some old stamps I have and stamp the # that is on the title where this site says it should be. Age it a little and go for my level 2 inspection. I don't see any other option since I am dealing with complete by the book MORONS who have no common sense.
Any thoughts or advice appreciated. IS there a possibility the serial # is someplace else?
Thanks for everyone who reads this rant