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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 5:49:35 GMT -8
Hi All, I've been vintage camping for years and I love the little 10 foot bodies and have a few of them. My mainstay has been my '68 Scotty and it is the lightest of them all at just under 1000lbs and all the other ones from all the other manufacturers weigh 1100-1300 lbs, all similar.
I just bought a slightly newer 10 foot '82 Shasta camper... I couldn't resist it because of the condition,it is a rear door model and mainly because it has a full bath... shower and toilet in a 10 footer?? YAY!!. The title says the weight is 3100lbs but I think the dealer entered the loaded weight there or something... On the way home I was curious, so I stopped by the weigh station and while unhitched from the truck, the dry weight is still 2640 and this weight matches the NADA site which I don't usually trust for campers, it was just the only site to come up on a Google search. So being that the construction method appears similar and I don't think a plastic holding tank weighs all that much so why does my new Shasta weigh well over 1000lbs more than any of my other campers?
It is a rear door and basically set up like a front kitchen model only everything is flipped. My '63 Shasta and my '74 Prowler are both front kitchen models and my '78 Playmor and '68 Scotty are your typical bed in the back, dinette up front floor plans and the weights are similar on all of them. Also, given the NADA site and the title info, it doesn't appear that any of the owner modifications to the extending the tongue add significant weight from the factory. The frame is the same 2x3 C channel and two of my campers have fully boxed in tubes. It's about 1 foot wider and has a roof AC but I could see that adding a couple of hundred, but not 1200lbs!!
Any thoughts??
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Post by nccamper on Sept 17, 2017 6:04:00 GMT -8
I haven't owned a camper yet with the actual weigh being what the title suggests.
With that said, I always suspect the 80s campers have heavier frames and wider naturally adds weight. But 1200 pounds seems odd.
For comparison, my 13' Forester on the title is 2000 pounds but on the scale it's 2500. After the renovation, I'd guess 2800.
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Post by datac on Sept 17, 2017 19:18:33 GMT -8
Simple, particle board and MDF vs. veneer ply. By the late '60s, the switch was on and trailers really started putting on the pounds. Check out the weight difference vs the originals on the reissue Shastas.
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Post by vikx on Sept 17, 2017 21:11:14 GMT -8
I agree MDF adds a ton...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 21:47:21 GMT -8
Simple, particle board and MDF vs. veneer ply. By the late '60s, the switch was on and trailers really started putting on the pounds. Check out the weight difference vs the originals on the reissue Shastas. I agree that MDF is way heavier but that wasn't in mass production until the 1980's not the late 60s. The reissues are a non-issue since they are just a couple years old.... My Playmor and Prowler are both in the mid to late 70's and still weigh 1000 lbs less so I am not seeing it for the 10 foot campers... My 17 foot '71 Shasta with particle board throughout was 1000 lbs less too. When I look at the interior it seems to be the same plywood as my others but since my camper is in the '80s I tested the MDF idea just for kicks and a 1/2" sheet of MDF is 65lbs and at 1200lbs heavier (never mind the old weight, this is just the increase) that equals 18.5 full sheets for a ten foot camper. My math tells me there is more to it...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 22:05:57 GMT -8
The entire camper could be covered... roof, walls, front and rear and floor with 1/2" MDF and there would still be 2 sheets left. Of course we know there is a metal skin, small studs and some kind of 1/8" ply interior and the only thick material is on the floor which would be a max of three sheets which is less than 200lbs... I dunno.
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Post by vikx on Sept 17, 2017 22:36:45 GMT -8
Research dry weight that manufacturers have to list.
Obvious culprits:
MDF Propane tanks Holding tanks Frame weight A/C is at least 100 lbs and beefy framing adds more WET WOOD is heavy...
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Post by bigbill on Sept 18, 2017 3:06:07 GMT -8
my question is was dry weight or was the water tank and black water tank full? A toilet, shower, and supporting hardware plus AC and what type of heat. All of the comfort additions add weight. A hundred here, fifty there and two hundred some place else can add up quickly.
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Post by HOTRODPRIMER on May 21, 2018 8:09:14 GMT -8
No one is taking ques from Lucy and picking up huge rocks at every stop are they? Danny
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Post by Hamlet on May 21, 2018 8:44:31 GMT -8
I just bought a slightly newer 10 foot '82 Shasta camper... I couldn't resist it because of the condition,it is a rear door model and mainly because it has a full bath... shower and toilet in a 10 footer?? Absolutely you can have a bathroom with shower in a ten-footer. That’s what that giant closet is for. Need more storage? Turn those two long skinny beds sideways and make a full size bed and use the extra 20” to put a closet on the street side and a two drawer chest with extra counter space on the curb side. You still have to turn the table into a bed at night, but that’s the biggest inconvenience we’ve had. As far as the dry weight, our ham-style Compact came in Right at 1200 pounds.
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Post by vikx on May 21, 2018 19:33:25 GMT -8
I LIKE rocks...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 18:24:57 GMT -8
Well I dumped all the rocks I collected and it was still too heavy LOL Just Kidding, I sold it and bought a '63 Compact with a more standard weight and a lot cuter!
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Post by mel on May 29, 2018 3:48:04 GMT -8
Well I dumped all the rocks I collected and it was still too heavy LOL Just Kidding, I sold it and bought a '63 Compact with a more standard weight and a lot cuter! Lets see pic of this compact
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 6:37:18 GMT -8
I just posted a new build thread and here is the link
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Post by Hamlet on May 29, 2018 8:33:34 GMT -8
I looked at the interior pics from your other post and noticed that you had replaced some of the original interior with solid wood. The original table weighs a couple pounds but I if it’s done in pine or oak, or any other 1/2 inch piece of solid wood, that will add several pounds, same with the countertop. Like vikx said, it’s not a lot, but when all the modifications get added up, they can be fairly significant.
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