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Post by benrogers on Jun 6, 2016 8:58:42 GMT -8
I've seen some conflicting stories where you can or can not replace the ceiling and side panels in a 66 Compact from the inside without removing the skins. Can anyone confirm or deny this with first hand experience?
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Post by Hamlet on Jun 6, 2016 17:40:01 GMT -8
No first hand experience, because we did a frame off, but from that experience, we learned how the trailer was originally put together. Replacing panels from the inside compromises the structural integrity of the camper. Although it can be a little scary to either lift or remove the skin, it's not really difficult, just time consuming to remove a whole part. And the time and effort spent is well worth it in the long run.
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Post by nccamper on Jun 6, 2016 19:32:34 GMT -8
I've worked on a 62 Compact and a 64 1500. Both Shasta campers, both needed the skin off to replace the panels properly. The overlapping construction is what gives the camper strength.
Hamlet is right, taking the skin off is really not difficult.
Take a look at the Shasta video series done by one of our members to get a good look at how they are constructed, and reconstructed. cannedhamtrailers.com
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Post by benrogers on Jun 7, 2016 5:56:32 GMT -8
I think my biggest concern is finding somewhere to store the skins while I work on the camper. They aren't large except the roof skin so it's a case of just finding space. I don't think there is a ton of damage to the interior of the walls but again I won't know until the skins are off. I was thinking of removing the two existing closets inside the camper to open floor space since this isn't a restoration but modification/repair to fit our needs a fly fisherman. My plan is to remove the two closets at the top left, center the counter on the front wall and then put a closet on either end of the counter. Do you think this would weaken the structural integrity of the camper?
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Post by Hamlet on Jun 7, 2016 9:58:14 GMT -8
The roof skin is long, but we rolled Hamlet's up and stashed it, covered, beside the house.
As far as the upper cupboards go, they do provide structural stability that's important whether driving or parked. I guess my question is what do you want out of your trailer? A place to stash your rods, reels and creels? A place indoors to clean any fish you don't catch and release? A bed, a fridge, a microwave and lots of storage? If you look at what you have now, you'll notice that there is something at the top of the trailer almost all the way round. It needs to remain that way regardless of what the rest of the floor plan is. You also need to remember that the bulk of the weight should be on the tongue rather than the back of the trailer.
The Compact remains our favorite, because despite its small size, the front kitchen allows a lot of variation in the floor plan. Look at the floor plans of the ham style Compacts and you'll notice that those two, somewhat awkward cabinets were one large one, and the icebox was under the front counter. That big closet can be used in a lot of ways. If you just reconfigured that bit, you'd get plenty of room to stash all your fishing gear and still have a place to cook, eat and sleep.
Good luck!
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Post by benrogers on Jun 7, 2016 10:03:58 GMT -8
There are two closets, one a closet and the other a closet/water tank/back of ice box. We really don't want the icebox, stove, or sink (can't eat Ohio fish). This is more for storage and sleeping. We don't spend a ton of time in the camper. We are usually around the fire or in the water. I was hoping to open the floor plan a little bit so I'm not stepping on my dog getting out of bed.
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Post by benrogers on Jun 7, 2016 10:58:59 GMT -8
This was the idea I was looking at:
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Post by mobiltec on Jun 7, 2016 16:46:22 GMT -8
The original design of these trailers are very important in how they are held together with very little in the way of structural framing. So if you change all the cabinets you may find yourself with a trailer that doesn't hold together very well. The engineering of these trailers use all the parts connected in certain ways to hold it all together.
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Post by benrogers on Jun 8, 2016 5:13:35 GMT -8
The original design of these trailers are very important in how they are held together with very little in the way of structural framing. So if you change all the cabinets you may find yourself with a trailer that doesn't hold together very well. The engineering of these trailers use all the parts connected in certain ways to hold it all together. Do you think there is any way to open floor space on this camper? I have put in a frame for a full bed in there that runs from side wall to side wall which adds horizontal rigidity but not vertical. Since I also want to remove the bunk I was thinking of adding horizontal cabinets from side wall to side wall where the back section of the bunk rests. I just can't figure out how to handle the two closets in the front. Any ideas? I really don't want to compromise the structural integrity but I'm beginning to think this isn't the right camper for my plans.
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Post by mobiltec on Jun 8, 2016 5:48:28 GMT -8
The original design of these trailers are very important in how they are held together with very little in the way of structural framing. So if you change all the cabinets you may find yourself with a trailer that doesn't hold together very well. The engineering of these trailers use all the parts connected in certain ways to hold it all together. Do you think there is any way to open floor space on this camper? I have put in a frame for a full bed in there that runs from side wall to side wall which adds horizontal rigidity but not vertical. Since I also want to remove the bunk I was thinking of adding horizontal cabinets from side wall to side wall where the back section of the bunk rests. I just can't figure out how to handle the two closets in the front. Any ideas? I really don't want to compromise the structural integrity but I'm beginning to think this isn't the right camper for my plans. Sounds to me like you really want a larger camper.
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Post by benrogers on Jun 8, 2016 5:50:26 GMT -8
That's the odd thing, the size is perfect for our needs, it's just laid out in a manner you can't really modify.
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Post by Hamlet on Jun 8, 2016 17:22:58 GMT -8
Here a a couple thoughts. If you haven't put the bed frame in yet, maybe you can raise it a couple inches so the dog can sleep beneath. We had two 35 pound dogs that both fit under the full bed in our Compact. We now have just one, but she loves it under there, just like a little cave. Don't ditch the icebox, they come in handy for all sorts of things, including extra storage. If you ever want to sell it, you'll get a much better price if it's complete. Same thing goes for the stove. You can make a cover for it, and for the sink, that will make the whole front a counter top.
As for the closets and uppers, look at the older Compacts. With the double bed, you should now have 22 inches of space to work with on both sides of the trailer. We turned the big closet into a potty room (which you don't need, so it can stay a closet) and added a 22 inch wide closet next to iT above the wheel well, and on the other side, built a two drawer cupboard that also provides additional counter space. We have never wanted for room enough to store everything we really need. We don't have a big truck for a tow vehicle, so pretty much everything goes in the camper. Fly rods are in their tubes laid securely on the bed/bench.
So the layout of the Compact really IS versatile, but like with all vintage trailers, you have to "play by the rules" of physics if you want something that will be functional for many years. Best of luck!
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Post by benrogers on Jun 9, 2016 6:18:13 GMT -8
Hamlet do you have any pictures of this?
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Post by Hamlet on Jun 9, 2016 6:40:38 GMT -8
Here you go...this is a blog post our daughter did several years ago... www.howiseelife.com/blog/2011/06/20/trailer/We did a fair amount of modifying, including raising the front of the roof 3" so my hubby could stand straight and cook. But you can see the closets and two drawer chest. The fun part for us is that if you didn't know what the original looked like, you'd never know we changed it,
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Post by benrogers on Jun 9, 2016 6:41:51 GMT -8
I'll check it out! Thanks, Hamlet!!
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