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Post by Teachndad on Jan 26, 2016 5:44:51 GMT -8
Hi Friends,
I quoted Larry below from a post above. mobiltec Avatar
Jan 6, 2016 at 3:35pm mobiltec said: Michelle all you need is a Statement Of Facts saying that you wish to keep the original plates for notstalgic and financial reasons and they will give you a sticker instead of a plate. The sticker says PTI on it. You put that where the normal sticker goes on the plate. Simple. I have one of those on a Yellow On Black plate that I use for moving my unregistered trailers around...
I am going to try to do this today or tomorrow with my Scotsman.
When I paid the fee for transfer of ownership over 10 days ago, I had asked for a PTI and the person at AAA said, that I can't have it because it's not a pop up. I went away dejected, but got home and realized that my WEsterner had been registered and licensed as a PTI. It has a PTI plate.
My Scotsman has the original yellow on black plate with it from its year of manufacture of 1966. I will try to get the PTI sticker and get a conversion done. I will try telling them what Larry recommends in the above quote.
I need to move fast. Registration is due on the 31 of this month.
Cheers,
Rod
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Post by danrhodes on Jan 26, 2016 6:45:09 GMT -8
Bring the DMV regulation itself... It is pretty clear.
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Post by Teachndad on Jan 26, 2016 7:33:39 GMT -8
Yeah, I thought of that, but to me I had a hard time reading it and it wasn't very clear. I could use a starting point. Rod
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Post by danrhodes on Jan 26, 2016 8:38:27 GMT -8
Yeah, I thought of that, but to me I had a hard time reading it and it wasn't very clear. I could use a starting point. Rod mountainsounds can give you a bit more advice from experience, but here's what I would do. 1. Print out the whole regulation This is a the complete section in pdf format. Not sure how current as the date is 2009. www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/c56ac861-453d-48c5-afbe-fedbf2bdc76c/ch14_permanent_trailer_id.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
If you are concerned about the 2009 date, you could print out the relevant sections directly from the DMV page. It seems your DMV's hangup is the "definition", so definitely bring that along. www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/pubs/reg_hdbk/ch14/toc
2. Fill out the paperwork ahead of time: www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/366ec173-9da5-4e7d-a4ea-fcaa6bdd04b5/reg4017.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
3. Highlight the definition of the trailer. Your DMV clerk seems stuck on the definition of a camp trailer, so you might also bring a basic book on logical fallacies, i.e "any tent trailer is a camp trailer" does not imply that only tent trailers are camp trailers. Camp Trailer (CVC §242)
A camp trailer is a vehicle other than a motor vehicle: designed to be towed on the highway, capable of human habitation for camping or recreational purposes, that does not exceed 16 feet in overall length from the foremost point of the trailer hitch to the rear extremity of the trailer body and 96 inches in width. Where a trailer telescopes for travel, the size shall apply to the trailer as fully extended.
NOTE: Any tent trailer is a camp trailer. A camp trailer shall not be considered to be a trailer coach.If they remain stuck on this definition, you can also point them to the definition of a travel trailer lower in the page: Travel TrailerA travel trailer is a portable unit mounted on wheels, of such a size and weight as not to require special highway movement permits when drawn by a motor vehicle and for human habitation for recreational or emergency occupancy (Civil Code §799.24).NOTE: Travel trailers that exceed the maximum length of 16 feet and/or width of 96 inches are trailer coaches (CCH) (CVC §635) and cannot be registered under the PTI Program.I always try to be as friendly as possible, but not to allow them to "argue from authority". Most of these people just do the same rote thing day after day and have no deeper insight into the regulations than you do. You might also consider bringing a photo of your other trailer's PTI plates just to further your argument.
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Post by mountainsounds on Jan 26, 2016 10:05:59 GMT -8
You will need to bring your trailer to the DMV to verify the VIN and trailer size (under 16ft)...at least we did. Our VIN was not clearly visible, at first, until we took some paint remover to the area. Do this prior to the DMV visit or you will be making a trip to the DMV 2X.
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Post by Teachndad on Jan 26, 2016 17:31:52 GMT -8
Hi All,
Well, I just got back from my visit to the local AAA.
Here's more or less what happened.
Me: (warm, friendly and smiling) Hi, I would like to convert the registration on my 66 Scotsman vintage trailer to a PTI. I have this trailer and another vintage trailer. Look here, on my registration for my 57 Westerner - please notice it's registered as a Camp Trailer. (Points to next seat - hoping that the next statement will add some support for the cause) That guy that works right there in the seat next to you, is the guy who looked at it and identified it as a camp trailer. These are the same types of trailers - less than 16 feet and don't have a bathroom. The Scotsman can be converted because it's the same type of trailer. When converting to the PTI, I would also like to keep the original yellow on black plate that came with the trailer and just affix a PTI sticker.
Attendant: ... ummm, well, I don't know if we can do that. Let me go and ask someone else.
Tick tock, tick tock (I think this is not going well)
Attendant returns:
(I smile, hoping this will somehow help.)
Attendant: I am sorry, but that's impossible.
Me: Ohhh, really? But I know people are doing this. It's not impossible.
Attendant: I wish we could help you, but you will have to go directly to DMV.
Me: (inwardly) curses, but smiles.
So, I walked out trying to figure out how to go to DMV and .... jump through hoops to make this work - all by the time the registration was due by Saturday.
Dude, it's not going to happen, I think - I decide, I just don't have time.
I went back home while thinking it over, got the dog, then drove back to AAA and just paid the $75 registration, so I could plan, schedule, and regroup.
I will post after I eventually go to DMV.
...Yippie Kye Yay.
Rod
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Post by Tuneafish on Jan 26, 2016 18:06:54 GMT -8
Rod, Once you get the PTI conversion at the DMV (and you will), they will send you a refund for the amount you just overpayed. I want to emphasize what has been already said: the law is clear on this- your trailer qualifies! Just make sure you take the trailer with you. I predict the DMV folks will not give you the same runaround that you got at AAA. Cheers, Bruce
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Post by Teachndad on Apr 4, 2016 21:42:05 GMT -8
Hi Friends, Here is some more information on registering your canned ham or shorter trailer as a PTI. In researching this, I owe credit to Mark – screen name Lola53. In his blog, www.kivas.com/wp/2016/03/31/lolas-great-day-at-the-the-dmv/ he posts about his adventures at the DMV. On this blog page, at the bottom is another great link that is relevant. It’s Nicks Teardrop Trailer Page www.nicksteardrop.com/dmv.htm I figured that adding these two links into this thread should conveniently help those pursuing the PTI registration for their shorter vintage trailer in California. I hope this helps. Cheers, Rod
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Post by Lola53 on Apr 5, 2016 0:15:30 GMT -8
Hi Friends, Here is some more information on registering your canned ham or shorter trailer as a PTI. In researching this, I owe credit to Mark – screen name Lola53. In his blog, www.kivas.com/wp/2016/03/31/lolas-great-day-at-the-the-dmv/ he posts about his adventures at the DMV. On this blog page, at the bottom is another great link that is relevant. It’s Nicks Teardrop Trailer Page www.nicksteardrop.com/dmv.htm I figured that adding these two links into this thread should conveniently help those pursuing the PTI registration for their shorter vintage trailer in California. I hope this helps. Cheers, Rod Rod, Thanks for the plug. The Nick's Teardrop page was very heplful. One thing to do at the DMV is to repeadilly use the phrase "Camp Trailer" as many times as you can. The DMV kept trying to register Lola as a "Coach" which does not qualify for PTI. Once the DMVs mindset changed to "Camp Trailer" mode, the process went much smoother. It was lIke in the cartoon where you see the lightbuld light up. "Oh, it is a camp trailer." Think of"Camp Trailer" as your mantra -"Camp Trailer","Camp Trailer","Camp Trailer"... :-) Mark
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Post by Going Glamping on Aug 31, 2016 19:08:04 GMT -8
Hello,
Not sure if this is the right place or not ... Hoping someone can answer a few questions for me. First off I'm in California and am concidering purchasing a 1966 Aristocrat 16 ft camping trailer. I spoke to the people that own it and they do have the title in hand. However, it has not been registered since 2004, so the registration fees have NOT been paid for 12 years. The guy selling it tells me that if the fees are 10 years or more past due that the DMV just wash the title clean. So my question is ... Is this true? Do I just take the signed off title to the DMV by itself or do I also need a Bill of Sale?
Is there anything else that I may have missed that will make this transaction as painless as possible? Thanks in advance and Happy Glamping 😀 🚐 Jennifer, Central California
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Post by pilcrowlit on Sept 2, 2016 13:10:35 GMT -8
Jennifer, be really cautious. I recently purchased a trailer in central California that had been last registered in 2013. The fees and penalties came to over $600. I asked at DMV how long it would take for the trailer to drop off their records so I could start over, and the clerk told me that they never know how long it will take for a specific vehicle to do that. It may take only 4 years, but some never do and just keep running up the $$. California can be really squirrely, and I've been advised by DMV employees that if I didn't like the answer I was given to go to another office and ask again, because I might get a whole different answer. Go figure.
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Post by vikx on Sept 2, 2016 21:24:21 GMT -8
Call Calif. DMV anonymously and ask. Tell them as little as possible and maybe use a friend's phone...
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Post by danrhodes on Nov 20, 2016 18:46:13 GMT -8
So, anyone have a section in the DMV code that says you can keep your plates with a pti sticker? Can't find that section anymore.
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Post by pilcrowlit on Nov 21, 2016 8:11:34 GMT -8
I have found no specific vehicle code concerning this, but my DMV office told me I could appeal to Sacramento and that such appeals are routinely granted. My other vintage trailer and one of my horse trailers retain their original plates with PTI stickers added, so I'm planning to argue that, and the fact that the Shasta is a historical vehicle. We'll see what happens.
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Post by rogerthedodger on Nov 21, 2016 9:00:06 GMT -8
I have my original plates, so I went to the DMV to get the PTI. They would only issue a PTI with new plates. Told me I would have to have them send my request to retain original black plate to Sacramento. I decided to forget it, not worth the trouble. I went to the Clovis(Fresno) office. Roger
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