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Post by gary350 on Dec 26, 2015 5:00:46 GMT -8
I have lived in TN 38 years, moved here from IL. No title or tags required in TN as long as you don't pull your camper trailer out of State. If you buy an old camper in TN it is rare that the seller will have a title. But title is easy to get, pull camper through any inspection station, pay the $60 fees and you can have a VIN and title in 30 minutes.
I moved to AZ for 3 years it is almost impossible to get title and tags in AZ if you don't already have them. AZ is a very high crime state so laws are very strict. It takes months of title search for original owners IF your trailer has a VIN number. No VIN your not getting a title but you can buy a 3 day temporary tag for $1 this allows you to go camping for 3 days. Most AZ neighborhoods have HOA little Hitlers that tell you what you can not do in your own yard. If HOA makes you keep your camper in a $40 per month RV storage lot thieves will steal all the aluminum and copper. My snooty neighbor complained to HOA Little Hitler he did not want to look at my camper so I sold it rather to let it get stripped at an RV storage lot.
I moved back to TN June 3, 2015. Before I left AZ I bought permanent AZ tags for a KY camper trailer. AZ has permanent tags I can us the tag on any camper trailer I ever own. Soon as I returned to TN I drove to KY to pick up our next camper trailer.
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Post by nccamper on Dec 26, 2015 12:30:27 GMT -8
NC is different. If you buy in the State you must have a title or jump through hoops galore.
Here is the catch: If you buy out of state in a no-title-required-state then NC will issue a title with just a notarized bill of sale from the person you bought it from. This requires a three month waiting period. If they have a bill of sale from who they bought it from, the two bills of sale (notarized) are enough to get an immediate title. This is a proper title with the make and year not a 2015 Homebuilt title.
If the camper comes from a registration-only-state then you can get an NC title with just the signed over Reg and a bill of sale.
All of this means nothing if you go to the wrong window at DMV and get somebody with a chip on their shoulder.
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Post by iceman77 on Dec 26, 2015 18:21:22 GMT -8
My deal was weird also. We are in Arkansas, trailer was registered and titled in California but sitting on land in Utah. It had been titled in my Dad's name since 1962 and was last registered in 1986. Had not been on the road since 1978. Dad died and we couldn't find the trailer title, but I decided to retrieve the trailer from Utah. Went to the AR revenue office and told them the story - they said no problem because of its age, and walked out with a plate and AR title. Two weeks later I get a letter that suspended my new AR title since it had a title from CA. Long story much shorter; my brother, as a CA resident, had to get it titled and tagged in CA with a new plate and then transfer to me, all with the associated fees, of course. But it's clean now. Bad titles can be a real hassle, as well-documented on this forum.
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Post by vikx on Dec 26, 2015 20:25:45 GMT -8
Washington has a three year wait: If you have the VIN and the trailer is "in the system", you send a registered letter to the last owner of record. If it comes back, that is proof you tried to contact the owner. Then, you pay registration (in your name) and wait. If somebody lays claim, you lose, altho it's never happened to me. When the 3 years is up, you can apply for a title.
If the trailer is not in the system, you pay the fee with no letter. A picture of the VIN and a pencil tracing is required. Same 3 year wait.
If the trailer has no VIN, it must be inspected by the highway patrol and is issued a new VIN, which must be stamped on the trailer frame. Again, 3 years to wait.
Not the worst regulations, but takes a while.
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Post by bigbill on Dec 26, 2015 21:09:00 GMT -8
Sometimes it is not what you know but who you know.
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Post by nccamper on Dec 27, 2015 6:33:47 GMT -8
I don't mean this as sarcasm, but you really have to pick the line you stand in at DMV carefully. Some DMV employees can be helpful with great suggestions, others are apathetic or even hostile. I have gotten a straight "No" from one person only to return the next day and have a different DMV employee approve the title. I have let people go in front of me in line to avoid a DMV sourpuss.
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Post by bigbill on Dec 27, 2015 9:29:19 GMT -8
I don't mean this as sarcasm, but you really have to pick the line you stand in at DMV carefully. Some DMV employees can be helpful with great suggestions, others are apathetic or even hostile. I have gotten a straight "No" from one person only to return the next day and have a different DMV employee approve the title. I have let people go in front of me in line to avoid a DMV sourpuss. Thaat is exactly what I was referring to in my statement above. If you know the right person who has and will share the proper knowledge many times the impossible is possible.
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Post by danrhodes on Dec 27, 2015 12:13:50 GMT -8
I don't mean this as sarcasm, but you really have to pick the line you stand in at DMV carefully. Some DMV employees can be helpful with great suggestions, others are apathetic or even hostile. I have gotten a straight "No" from one person only to return the next day and have a different DMV employee approve the title. I have let people go in front of me in line to avoid a DMV sourpuss. Thaat is exactly what I was referring to in my statement above. If you know the right person who has and will share the proper knowledge many times the impossible is possible. Try it in California where sourpuss is the best you can hope for... There's a reason why there's an industry of DMV consultants and the AAA is still around in the age of smartphone GPS.
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Post by iceman77 on Dec 27, 2015 13:28:08 GMT -8
Ha! Went with the family to watch Star Wars on Christmas and saw this trailer for Zootopia. I laughed out loud because it is soooo based on reality. youtu.be/k3A_pzCUwRA
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Post by vikx on Dec 27, 2015 21:09:40 GMT -8
I do have that friendly person at DMV. So thankful...
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Post by nccamper on Dec 27, 2015 21:39:10 GMT -8
We've all been there.
"Hi, I have a vintage camper..."
DMV employee responce "No."
"But I have paperworks to..."
"No"
"Let me finish, it's a 1960..."
"No."
"Can you at least..."
"Next!"
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Post by Ten on Dec 28, 2015 5:24:57 GMT -8
I have been on the other side of that, as well. A very nice lady took the time to sit down with me while it was not busy at the office, and went through all the papers for the Airflyte, told me what I would have problems with if they were sent through to Albany, and gave me the forms I was missing. I think the problem we all face is this: We assume no one at the DMV knows what is going on, when really it is us, the resident, who does not know what is really required, and more importantly, why. We would certainly want a line of defense provided by the licensing bureau if at some point there were a possibility something of ours were stolen.
Here in NY, it used to be quite common to use a procedure for registering a trailer as "home-made" to get around lost registrations and destroyed lineage. I have come to understand that the State has changed the requirements a lot, and most of the reason is in answer to the boom in popularity of trailers that are so old that they have no lineage.
We tend to push toward understanding the requirements based on what we have heard, how we assume it is supposed to work. When the actual workings and requirements are a bit different, we get flustered and tend to forget that the human behind the counter is working for just over the minimum wage and trying to solve a-million-and-two crises each day. However, there are ways of getting the job done. One just needs to understand the requirements.
Usually there is someone available at any given office who is better versed in the forms and requirements, and they can help a lot if you do not demand their time during peak rush times at the windows. Also, in the modern age, there is much to be learned on the internet at websites set up by each state's governments. You might need to take a few moments, but most of the questions you are asking at the window can be answered at home before you are in line. "Fore-warned is fore-armed".
It's fun to make fun of the DMV, but don't forget that the person behind the counter is a person.
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Post by agent99 on Jan 2, 2016 7:25:41 GMT -8
I have bought and sold many trailers without a title and sometimes no registration here in NY. I have never had a problem getting them registered. I have had problems with the process because the clerk usually asks for the title right off the bat and is unaware that NY did not require titles for these old beauties back then. I have learned to tell them nicely what I am trying to do before they have a chance to tell me it can not be done without a title. Often times they are interested in the trailer itself and we end up having a nice conversation. I even show them a pic of the trailer itself which peaks their interest. Usually they need to check with the supervisor on how to go about registering it and sometimes the supervisor is also unaware of what to do. I go in with a smile and remain patient and polite. About half an hour later everything is fine. I go in with the weight slip, the necessary forms all filled out, a notarized bill of sale and sometimes an etching of of the vin. If you are nice and take the time to explain they are usually more than happy to help you. It also helps to go on a day and time when they are not busy! I have even forgotten a particular item like a weight slip or etching and the clerk has told me to go get it and come back and when she sees me she will call me up to her window so I don't have to wait in line or explain to another clerk. My advise is do your research, have everything you need with you, be polite and work with the clerk not against them. The old saying is true you get more bees with honey! Don't give up! It can be done!
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Post by clint001 on Feb 18, 2016 19:38:19 GMT -8
My deal was weird also. We are in Arkansas, trailer was registered and titled in California but sitting on land in Utah. It had been titled in my Dad's name since 1962 and was last registered in 1986. Had not been on the road since 1978. Dad died and we couldn't find the trailer title, but I decided to retrieve the trailer from Utah. Went to the AR revenue office and told them the story - they said no problem because of its age, and walked out with a plate and AR title. Two weeks later I get a letter that suspended my new AR title since it had a title from CA. Long story much shorter; my brother, as a CA resident, had to get it titled and tagged in CA with a new plate and then transfer to me, all with the associated fees, of course. But it's clean now. Bad titles can be a real hassle, as well-documented on this forum. I recently acquired a Shasta 1400 on a bill of sale in Arkansas. Went in with the bill of sale and paid the fees and got a plate and registration . I'm waiting on the title in the mail and keeping my fingers crossed that I don't get the LETTER in the mail!
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Post by Hamlet on Feb 18, 2016 20:49:42 GMT -8
Washington has a three year wait: If you have the VIN and the trailer is "in the system", you send a registered letter to the last owner of record. If it comes back, that is proof you tried to contact the owner. Then, you pay registration (in your name) and wait. If somebody lays claim, you lose, altho it's never happened to me. When the 3 years is up, you can apply for a title. If the trailer is not in the system, you pay the fee with no letter. A picture of the VIN and a pencil tracing is required. Same 3 year wait. If the trailer has no VIN, it must be inspected by the highway patrol and is issued a new VIN, which must be stamped on the trailer frame. Again, 3 years to wait. Not the worst regulations, but takes a while. That's what we had to do with Hamlet. We were just patient, it cost less than a hundred bucks. Getting the road inspection was a different story.
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