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Post by nccamper on Apr 20, 2016 19:02:16 GMT -8
As I understand shellac, each coat merges with the last by softening the previous coat. With that said, there is a layered effect where the clear at the end definitely sits on top. So the "merge" is not complete.
I also wonder how the sheet will hold up after a few coats of shellac. Keep us posted.
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Post by mobiltec on Apr 20, 2016 19:43:53 GMT -8
As I understand shellac, each coat merges with the last by softening the previous coat. With that said, there is a layered effect where the clear at the end definitely sits on top. So the "merge" is not complete. I also wonder how the sheet will hold up after a few coats of shellac. Keep us posted. The way I understand it the amount of re-liquification depends on how long it has cured.The recommended wait time between coats has differed depending on who I have talked to. The instructions on the can say to allow one hour for drying between coats and sanding with 220 between coats. Personally I don't sand till the third coat. Too easy to go through the amber.
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Post by nccamper on Apr 20, 2016 19:46:58 GMT -8
"I don't sand till the third coat. Too easy to go through the amber."
I made that mistake on camper #2. Besides, I want it smooth but not like a violin.
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Post by mobiltec on Apr 21, 2016 7:08:40 GMT -8
"I don't sand till the third coat. Too easy to go through the amber." I made that mistake on camper #2. Besides, I want it smooth but not like a violin. You know he restores campers when they are numbered... Birch update. So far Josh at Cherokee Lumber has not gotten back to me. None of them have ever gotten back to me on this. I've been calling lumber yards for 2 years now. They just don't see any value in helping us find our birch paneling. I guess we suck.
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Post by mtpalms on Apr 21, 2016 7:41:39 GMT -8
Gunguy, glad your order finally arrived, and in good shape! That is always a concern, you wait and wait for a special order and it either arrives damaged, or you find you have received stuff that people who could pick and choose off the shelf have rejected.
My boyfriend is headed down to San Diego today to work, and is going to check out Frost Hardwood, who patiently responded to my emails yesterday, and The Hardwood & Hardware Co, who have bendable poplar. Maybe one of them also have bendalbe birch. I do want him to take a look at your post before he takes off.
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Post by Dad Rambles on Apr 21, 2016 14:04:31 GMT -8
Gunguy, glad your order finally arrived, and in good shape! That is always a concern, you wait and wait for a special order and it either arrives damaged, or you find you have received stuff that people who could pick and choose off the shelf have rejected. My boyfriend is headed down to San Diego today to work, and is going to check out Frost Hardwood, who patiently responded to my emails yesterday, and The Hardwood & Hardware Co, who have bendable poplar. Maybe one of them also have bendalbe birch. I do want him to take a look at your post before he takes off. I'm off on a trip this weekend, but I'm going to try and get some shellac asap and give it a coat, or 2, and see how close in tone I can get it to the stuff in the trailer. I will make a video and post it to my youtube channel as soon as I get that done. I googled this stuff and there is nothing out there showing anything about it, other than the manufacturer info. The great thing about it is, if it work, it can be ordered 1 sheet or 100 sheets at your local Home Depot... no shipping. Good luck with your search as well.
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Post by Dad Rambles on Apr 27, 2016 17:46:01 GMT -8
Alright. So, my order from Home Depot finally came in (after i called to check on it). My order was for 1 sheet of this stuff. It's (almost) and 1/8" thick and is their "radius" bending board. It's a 2 rotary cut birch veneer with a wood core/back. They sell this in 4x8 (what I bought) and 8x4. The grain and bending is the opposite on the 8x4. I figured this would be very flexible so that it would roll into a short post (vs a tall, 8ft column). You can see in the last photo that it is stout across the grain, so as to roll around the back window area. It defintely has much more structural support this way, than with the grain. This looks like it will work exactly like I was hoping, counter intuitive to what it is supposed to be bent (short ways). Long ways, this stuff REALLY wants to bend, it folds over itself when you pick it up. The grain is definitely stout. I *think* it will work, and will be a descent match for my 62 interior, although with more character. It reseambles what others have referred to as a "flame birch". The lighter parts of the wood, in between the flames, look a little yellow. I'm not sure if this will blend in or not when I put the shellac on it... looking for other's expertise here? Thoughts, concerns, experience here.. please tell me. I'm new to this stuff. I feel pretty good about this, but I need to shellac it and see how that turns out. This was 27 bucks and was special order. I will post that info later when I can find it. IMG_20160420_182200 by gunguy05, on Flickr IMG_20160420_181919 by gunguy05, on Flickr IMG_20160420_182645 by gunguy05, on Flickr So just a short update on this. I got to itching too bad to see how the amber shellac would look, even though I don't need this for a while. It's a key part of my rebuild, and seemingly very difficult to get, so I have been thinking about it quite a bit. SO.. I fetched amber shellac, and denatured alcohol. Here is my piece, about 1/3 of it has shellac on it, and it did what I hoped it would. You can see on the left, there were some uneven spots in the light parts of the wood. Some where lighter tan, the others were a yellowish. The lighter areas look even now, and the flame areas of the birch seem to blend nicely. I think another coat or 2 and it will match whats inside my shasta.. I think i am going to go ahead with this. Special order from Home Depot.. 27 bucks. 1 coat of amber shellac by gunguy05, on Flickr
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Post by nccamper on Apr 27, 2016 18:49:23 GMT -8
So far, so good. Let us know how it turns out with multiple coats of shellac.
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Post by Dad Rambles on Apr 28, 2016 2:26:33 GMT -8
So far, so good. Let us know how it turns out with multiple coats of shellac. Thinking delamination might be an issue?
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Post by mtpalms on Apr 28, 2016 10:33:38 GMT -8
On Tuesday we picked up 7 sheets of 1/8" birch at Frost Hardwood in San Diego (Miramar), 2 sheets short of the minimum we estimated (plus 3 more sheets to reface cabinets and doors). My boyfriend is working down there today and tomorrow, and hopefully they will have more in stock by tomorrow afternoon, if not, this will get us started.
5 of the sheets were all birch ply, 2 had a lauan back, The lauan backed ones had the nicer looking face though. They were all on the same stack and $18.24/sheet. They look okay, we will see when it is time to varnish (bf prefers Epifanes Wood Finish Gloss over any other varnish or shellac) and install.
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Post by Poquito on Apr 29, 2016 4:39:28 GMT -8
Posted by gunguy05yesterday at 6:26am
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Apr 27, 2016 at 10:49pm nccamper said:
So far, so good. Let us know how it turns out with multiple coats of shellac.
Thinking delamination might be an issue?
Following Gunguy05 HD Columbia Forest product post with interest. I do not have my interior ply bought yet - located in NFL hard to find quality sources in my area. Will be heading to Central FL next week to pick up my skins, trim and screws and don't want to drive all the way to Ft. Lauderdale for ply. (Lots of boat builder/cabinetry in the south).
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Post by 1960 Layton on May 13, 2016 6:25:36 GMT -8
Would any of you know where to buy this in Michigan ?
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Post by mobiltec on May 13, 2016 6:40:36 GMT -8
My new lumber company... Great prices, great products. Paneling is from Indonesia but it looks good to me. They carry an average of 300 sheets and encourage hand selection. Peterman Lumber. Locations in Fontana, CA. Las Vegas, NV. and Phoenix, AZ. petermanlumber.com/panel/
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Post by mtpalms on May 13, 2016 7:18:29 GMT -8
Good to know. Thanks!
Frost in San Diego (Miramar) also gets theirs from Indonesia, but it looked good to us. We had about 80 sheets to pick through this last trip, and didn't quite get to the bottom for those last 6 sheets. It wasn'tthe quality, but the pattern variety was nice: plain blonde, Chatoyance (refractive quality), and contrasty flame with nice book matching. We picked the more colorful book matched stuff for the walls, and refractive for the ceiling, although most people might like it plainer, so the effect is evenly matched throughout.
I was holding off on commenting on Frost's panels until we see how it handles when installed and varnished. My boyfriend likes varnish (Epiphanes for teak), which is why we are not using shellac.
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Post by mckaylife on May 13, 2016 10:16:11 GMT -8
Frost in San Diego (Miramar) also gets theirs from Indonesia, but it looked good to us. We had about 80 sheets to pick through this last trip, and didn't quite get to the bottom for those last 6 sheets. I am completely redoing the inside of my Shasta and have decided to go with Birch instead of the paneling that was in there. How much are the sheets at Frost? I am having to take a trip up North anyways so I may go check out Peterman on the way back.
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