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Post by mitchell on Mar 30, 2015 10:01:57 GMT -8
I am planing on the installation of a bumper( 1949 little Cesar), possibly square channel or round and noticed from various comments that:
1. in order to help stabilize and prevent any sway that the back main frame runners should be extended to mount the bumper. that makes sense.
are their any pros/cons to the design/materials?
2. I also need to install a spare tire carrier/bike carrier ? i though i saw a photo somewhere of a custom made spare carrier. does anyone remember where that discussion/ photos may be on this site?
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Post by bigbill on Mar 30, 2015 13:28:33 GMT -8
Before you make and mount a rear bumper, spare tire, bicycle on the back of your trailer make sure that it won't remove to much of your tongue weight causing severe sway while towing. This has happened to many unsuspecting trailer owners in the past. You need a minimum of 10% of the total trailer weight on the hitch. Frame extensions, bumper, spare tire rack, wheel and tire plus a sturdy bike rack a couple of bikes and tie downs can very easy top 250 to 300 pounds.
Not trying to be bossy just would hate to see you spend time and money on something that would make your trailer untowable. I am not telling you not to do it but make sure it will work first before you make the investment.
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Post by mitchell on Mar 30, 2015 15:48:23 GMT -8
Thanks. I was aware of the weight distribution. But I thought. I saw on this site a photo of a custom spare tire mount that was designed for the back, possibly a trailer hitch mount?
alos on my trailer it's seems that a lot of the frame was bolted together and not welded. Was this a common practice during the late 40's in construction methods?
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Post by John Palmer on Mar 30, 2015 16:01:47 GMT -8
Note, you will see a bicycle receiver built into a frame on my FRAME OFF REBUILD post during the next week or so.
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Post by bigbill on Mar 31, 2015 2:24:46 GMT -8
Note, you will see a bicycle receiver built into a frame on my FRAME OFF REBUILD post during the next week or so. John are you going to carry a spare tire and bicycles both on the same mount like mitchell wants to? |
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Post by mitchell on Mar 31, 2015 4:34:03 GMT -8
Please let me clarify
I just wanted to install a spare tire carrier or a bicycle rack but if a combo can be fabricated and attached, that would be cool.
Anyone familiar with a simple spare tire carrier design?
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Post by John Palmer on Mar 31, 2015 8:36:21 GMT -8
Note, you will see a bicycle receiver built into a frame on my FRAME OFF REBUILD post during the next week or so. John are you going to carry a spare tire and bicycles both on the same mount like mitchell wants to? BigBill, I have custom built "tire carrier/bicycle rack" receiver combinations for longer trailer's. But this one is a short 13' single axle trailer, and I do not want to place "too much" weight behind the axle center line to effect the tongue weight balance. I will place the spare tire under the bed, and only have a 2" receiver for the removable bicycle rack.
I want to caution anyone considering this topic to make sure you "build the receiver mount" into the structural framework of the trailer. You cannot just bolt something to the rear cross member.
The weight that BigBill and I are concerned with has two components. It's the weight, times the extended length measured from the pivot point. Ten pounds, extended ten feet, is a hundred pounds of weight load. I'm not an engineer but basically a small weight extended becomes HEAVY.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Mar 31, 2015 8:53:32 GMT -8
Does anyone know if you can buy a "smaller" emergency type spare tire for your trailer. I think they are called 'donut" style or something like that.
I am hoping to be able to store my spare tire in the front bench area of my trailer to decrease the weight at the back. However, the smaller the spare the better, as long as it works in an emergency..
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Post by John Palmer on Mar 31, 2015 9:27:57 GMT -8
Does anyone know if you can buy a "smaller" emergency type spare tire for your trailer. I think they are called 'donut" style or something like that. I am hoping to be able to store my spare tire in the front bench area of my trailer to decrease the weight at the back. However, the smaller the spare the better, as long as it works in an emergency.. You have several choices and options.
First, I do everything possible to find the space inside the trailer for a spare tire. Tires dry rot quickly when exposed to the elements, and having a spare tire mounted on a rack concentrates all the sun on just one quarter of the tire. Outside mounted tires are a last resort.
You need to make sure any spare tire actually fits your trailer and does not rub the frame. springs, or body when mounted. Most "donut spares" are from late model cars that have front wheel drive. These front wheel drive wheels have a deep offset (called back spacing) and usually will not fit on a trailer. You need to look for late rear wheel drive car donuts from the 1960's and 70's for the possibility of a trailer spare.
Another option is to buy a trailer wheel that is the correct size for your hubs (usually 5 lug on 4 1/2" bolt circle) but with a 13" or 14" smaller outside diameter tire. These tires will not have the same weight tow rating as your standard larger tires, but they should get you to the next town for a tire replacement.
Make sure you CARRY EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO REMOVE AND INSTALL A TRAILER SPARE TIRE IN YOUR TRAILER. Hub cap removal tool, lug wrench and extension, wood blocks, jack stand, "at least" two jacks, safety reflectors, rubber gloves, hand wipes, etc.
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Post by hammie on Mar 31, 2015 9:42:42 GMT -8
We are going to mount our spare tire on the front of the camper. There is a space enough for it to be placed behind the propane tank, up against the outside front wall, in an upright position. I like the idea of having the weight on the tongue for all the reasons mentioned.
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Post by bigbill on Mar 31, 2015 17:15:35 GMT -8
John are you going to carry a spare tire and bicycles both on the same mount like mitchell wants to? BigBill, I have custom built "tire carrier/bicycle rack" receiver combinations for longer trailer's. But this one is a short 13' single axle trailer, and I do not want to place "too much" weight behind the axle center line to effect the tongue weight balance. I will place the spare tire under the bed, and only have a 2" receiver for the removable bicycle rack.
I want to caution anyone considering this topic to make sure you "build the receiver mount" into the structural framework of the trailer. You cannot just bolt something to the rear cross member.
The weight that BigBill and I are concerned with has two components. It's the weight, times the extended length measured from the pivot point. Ten pounds, extended ten feet, is a hundred pounds of weight load. I'm not an engineer but basically a small weight extended becomes HEAVY.
John I have also, but his post is sending me bad vibs. If you are going to hang anything on the back you must have a strong frame as you stated above. Bolt on extensions are asking for trouble. I am glad you pointed out the weight multiplication factor of extensions. I see this violated on hitch extensions as well as rear bumpers way to often, some times leading to tragic results. |
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Post by ladywendolyn on Mar 31, 2015 19:28:42 GMT -8
I am having an l shaped kitchen with the fridge in the rear.. My dad helped me find a novakool 12 volt/110 power fridge that is only 20 inches deep, and weighs about 50 pounds which is half of the weight of a new one. That being said, I want to minimize any other weight in the back and move as much up to the front as possible. I am thinking I should be able to put the spare in one of the dinette seats...
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Post by vikx on Mar 31, 2015 21:14:16 GMT -8
I have temporary spares in all my trailers. (donut, temp, toy) They are much smaller and stow easily. Good up to 50 miles an hour to get you to the next town.
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Post by John Palmer on Mar 31, 2015 21:36:40 GMT -8
BigBill, I have custom built "tire carrier/bicycle rack" receiver combinations for longer trailer's. But this one is a short 13' single axle trailer, and I do not want to place "too much" weight behind the axle center line to effect the tongue weight balance. I will place the spare tire under the bed, and only have a 2" receiver for the removable bicycle rack.
I want to caution anyone considering this topic to make sure you "build the receiver mount" into the structural framework of the trailer. You cannot just bolt something to the rear cross member.
The weight that BigBill and I are concerned with has two components. It's the weight, times the extended length measured from the pivot point. Ten pounds, extended ten feet, is a hundred pounds of weight load. I'm not an engineer but basically a small weight extended becomes HEAVY.
John I have also, but his post is sending me bad vibs. If you are going to hang anything on the back you must have a strong frame as you stated above. Bolt on extensions are asking for trouble. I am glad you pointed out the weight multiplication factor of extensions. I see this violated on hitch extensions as well as rear bumpers way to often, some times leading to tragic results. BigBill, in a couple of weeks, you will see photos (with Vikx's help, LOL) of my rebuilt frame before it gets reinstalled back under the DeVille body. I think you will appreciate all the thought and engineering that went into the frame rebuild. It will have many improvements for safety, durability, and convenience that were not on the original trailers due to cost considerations. I bought a vintage slide out step on Friday, and I bought the new metal today, and I'm at the cut/grind/fit/weld "very dirty stage" currently. I still need to order the rear corner stabilizers.
I'm certain that it will pass the BigBill "design inspection", LOL.
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Post by bigbill on Apr 1, 2015 6:36:38 GMT -8
John I bet it will, if it don't I would be very disappointed in you because you know how and why to do it.  |
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