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Post by annbclay on Jan 25, 2015 11:44:41 GMT -8
Ok once again I am confused by the multitude of choices out there. To replace some water damaged areas in my 61 Shasta compact which one do I want to choose?
Natural birch white birch sapwood hardwood Baltic Birch bendable birch veneer
i found a resource in Georgia that carries 1/8" bendable birch, 1/8" luan and 1/4" natural birch.
im replacing a section that spans across the ceiling from left side to right side of the camper at the vent, about 3 feet wide
also possibly a section on the back wal behind the the table/bed area. Below and to the left of the rear window.
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Post by goshawks on Jan 25, 2015 16:17:11 GMT -8
natural 3 ply birch is a great choice for that... but consider the thickness of what is already on the trailer, you want to either match that thickness or come as close as possible. Baltic birch , at least true Baltic birch is 5' by 5' which is actually a metric measure for European wood. It is as a real beautiful wood with a lot of character.
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Post by universalexports on Jan 25, 2015 20:45:48 GMT -8
Honesty to get it uniform you will need to replace all of it or at least sand down the original stuff and re-shellac it, otherwise it will not look the same due to the natural yellowing that has taken place over the last 50 years.
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 25, 2015 21:30:01 GMT -8
Honesty to get it uniform you will need to replace all of it or at least sand down the original stuff and re-shellac it, otherwise it will not look the same due to the natural yellowing that has taken place over the last 50 years. Gotta disagree on that one. I match up paneling all the time without having to sand much if at all. In the one I'm doing now, the 54 Aljoa, the old paneling will get just a good washing with denatured alcohol and then a coat of clear and that should do it. I match the new to the old. Then just clean up the old. Works great. Here's a match in progress. This just the other day. Notice the radiused paneling to the right is the same color but just dull. And watch to see how it finishes up. It will look original. I have asked people to try and tell me which panels were the old ones in a ceiling and they couldn't tell. Once I clean and clear coat the rest of the paneling it will all match perfectly.
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Post by annbclay on Jan 26, 2015 15:03:30 GMT -8
So that is good to know! Is bendable 1/8" birch what I need to purchase?
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Post by John Palmer on Jan 26, 2015 16:19:24 GMT -8
natural 3 ply birch is a great choice for that... but consider the thickness of what is already on the trailer, you want to either match that thickness or come as close as possible. Baltic birch , at least true Baltic birch is 5' by 5' which is actually a metric measure for European wood. It is as a real beautiful wood with a lot of character. No matter how nice the wood grain might look, a 5 foot by 5 foot piece of paneling "is just a scrap" for trailer restoration. Even the smaller trailers are 6 1/2 feet wide, and every trailer I've seen has more than a five foot wall height.
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Post by John Palmer on Jan 26, 2015 16:31:17 GMT -8
So that is good to know! Is bendable 1/8" birch what I need to purchase? The bendable paneling at my supplier has a plastic like core to make it bendable. It has "no strength", and for the life of me, I cannot see the need to use it for the slight bend of a canned ham ceiling. It would be best used to veneer the sharp curved corners on some interior closets and cabinets, but again, it has no strength and needs to be backed up with some structure.
I use 1/4" (actually I think it 5 to 6mm) paneling for 90% of my work. If you choose to use 1/8", use it only on the curved panels because it has little strength when flat. Try to buy paneling that does not have "a sawdust core". If (more likely when) it gets wet, it just swells up. You can mix 1/4" and 1/8" panels on the ceiling without a problem, but on the walls use the same thickness all the way.
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Post by John Palmer on Jan 26, 2015 16:37:14 GMT -8
"Once I clean and clear coat the rest of the paneling it will all match perfectly."
Keep practicing, and your going to get good at this trailer restoration stuff. LOL
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 26, 2015 16:59:51 GMT -8
Wait just a minute here now... LOL... This isn't my first try with shellac matching by any sense of the word. It's just the first time I have done it before installation of the panels. Normally I have it running down my arm for 5 coats but still get a fantastic match. I really like doing it your way though. This isn't the french polish. It's done with a really good and expensive brush. But I'm pre-finishing all the new paneling before it get's installed and I like a few things about it. 1. No shellac running down your arm. I'm doing all five coats before installation. 2. I'm not getting amber shellac on the welting/gimp... That's a huge plus. 3. I'm not stuck in a small area with all the fumes. Big plus. So thanks for the great advice John. It's really much better doing it this way. I do want to try the french polish but on a trailer that is not in any hurry to get done. This one has been waiting 6 months for my eye to heal so I need to get after it and get it done. And thanks for the good critique.
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Post by annbclay on Jan 27, 2015 9:54:40 GMT -8
I was led to believe that you stained the wood to color match and then did a coat of varnish to seal and protect. Is this incorrect? I mean ... 5 coats of shellac? Jeez that sounds more like fine craft, turned wood or furniture at $2000 per small side table! These trailers should be selling for $30k minimum once they are completely refurbished! You guys don't make enough money! Screw CEOs and Bankers. You should be the 1% !!! here's a toast to "Trailer Love!"
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 27, 2015 13:26:56 GMT -8
I was led to believe that you stained the wood to color match and then did a coat of varnish to seal and protect. Is this incorrect? I mean ... 5 coats of shellac? Jeez that sounds more like fine craft, turned wood or furniture at $2000 per small side table! These trailers should be selling for $30k minimum once they are completely refurbished! You guys don't make enough money! Screw CEOs and Bankers. You should be the 1% !!! here's a toast to "Trailer Love!" No Ann. 3 coats of Amber colored shellac gives it the depth of color needed to match what is there. 2 coats is a little lighter, 4 coats would be darker. The more coats of Amber Shellac you do, the darker the color. Then once I have the color right, I begin adding coats of clear shellac... Two will do this trailer just fine but I have gone as far as 3 coats of clear before. Yes this is very time consuming. I figure I have at least 4 to 5 hours not including drying time into each sheet of paneling. And that doesn't include planning time or clean up at the end of the day. When all is said and done if I sell a trailer I figure if I'm lucky I may make a few thousand dollars which translates into a few bucks an hour. Some trailers I lost money on and others I broke even on. I made $1.78 on my Lil Loafer.
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Post by RJ on Jan 27, 2015 15:30:20 GMT -8
$1.78 profit on a trailer restore? RIGHTEOUS BUCKS! Sorry Larry, couldn't resist. Back to our regularly scheduled program
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Post by nccamper on Jan 27, 2015 16:02:08 GMT -8
We make fun of flippers, but they make the real money. No worrying about replacement birch or shellac, just buy it for $500, clean it, sell it for $2000 on eBay.
Some of you sharpshooters have such a following you'll sell a restored canned ham for $15,000 to $20,000. But for most of us selling on CL, $8,000-$10,000 is top dollar. So $1.78 an hour sounds sweet to me!
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 27, 2015 16:08:46 GMT -8
We make fun of flippers, but they make the real money. No worrying about replacement birch or shellac, just buy it for $500, clean it, sell it for $2000 on eBay. Some of you sharpshooters have such a following you'll sell a restored canned ham for $15,000 to $20,000. But for most of us selling on CL, $8,000-$10,000 is top dollar. So $1.78 an hour sounds sweet to me! You misunderstood NC.... I made a total of $1.78..... Not a dollar seventy eight an hour.
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Post by John Palmer on Jan 27, 2015 20:11:58 GMT -8
We make fun of flippers, but they make the real money. No worrying about replacement birch or shellac, just buy it for $500, clean it, sell it for $2000 on eBay. Some of you sharpshooters have such a following you'll sell a restored canned ham for $15,000 to $20,000. But for most of us selling on CL, $8,000-$10,000 is top dollar. So $1.78 an hour sounds sweet to me! You misunderstood NC.... I made a total of $1.78..... Not a dollar seventy eight an hour. I hope you claimed all that income on your year end tax return?
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