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Post by mobiltec on Nov 21, 2014 9:35:13 GMT -8
I've quit using the word "restored" when it comes to my builds. I like to keep them as original as possible but they aren't restored to perfection. Rather, I make what's there work. The trailers are as road and camp worthy as possible and I hope have that vintage look... This is a very wise person I also don't like the word restored because in my opinion that means that something is repaired/rebuilt exactly as it was originally. Exact same materials, finishes, everything with nothing changed or added. I like to look at an old trailer as a blank canvas on which I can do my own thing with while winding up with a comfortable, safe, dependable, totally usable trailer that still looks vintage. Well crap. Now I have to change my website again LOL... Refurbished?
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Post by bigbill on Nov 21, 2014 9:54:26 GMT -8
Well crap. Now I have to change my website again LOL... Refurbished? It worked we wrote that just so you would have to go in and change your whole web site again. You believe that don't you. Still praying for a complete recovery of your vision. Hope it is doing better.
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Post by chametzoo on Nov 21, 2014 17:56:46 GMT -8
I like to look at an old trailer as a blank canvas on which I can do my own thing…. Dude… you're an artist!
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Post by vikx on Nov 21, 2014 20:54:51 GMT -8
There's nothing wrong with the word "restored", especially with quality builds like Larry's. One reason I started "rebuilding" was the over use of restored when it comes to flippers and lipstick. It seems THE way to sell is to be sure to include that the trailer is restored...
Well, most of us know that's not the case. Another overused point is "ground up". I've seen trailers that haven't had the skins lifted claiming a ground up restoration. Sigh.
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Post by elewayne on Feb 13, 2015 17:27:07 GMT -8
I think it sort of depends if you are looking at museum quality of camping quality. I live in a neighborhood of turn of the century bungalows. We have a restoration home show every year. None are exactly "restored". But then who wants to live in a 1916 museum piece? I had it pointed out once that we should change the term.Probably true. My personal trailer was a total wreck with the interior removed when I got it. It's a 1949 Silver Lodger. I have brochure pics of the factory interior and I thought it was ugly when new.IT was all fir plywood too.So I have chosen to simply design and build my own interior. My son is an architect and I'm a cabinet maker by trade.It's going to cost me close to $12,000 to finish all the needed work. (including a total frame up restoration to get it pullable)I doubt I can ever get that back out of it. I don't know how long I want to keep it either. If the wife gets into it I'd like to redo an old airstream someday.We'll see. We might just love this one. My personal thought would be, I think the value would be based on the quality of the work,unless the trailer was something really rare. Then it should probably go back to original.I doubt it matters much on a Shasta.There is a ceiling for value there. No matter how proper the restoration it's unlikely anyone will give you 40 large for it.
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Post by SusieQ on Feb 13, 2015 20:35:39 GMT -8
Rebuild, restored, remodeled. I think of restored trailers as be put back in their original condition and rebuilt as being repaired, possibly from the ground up and structurally sound. Remodeled means the interior has been modified. Unfortunately, some get remodeled and labeled "rebuilt" or "restored." These are just my own definitions.
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Post by lakewoodgirl on Feb 14, 2015 12:01:59 GMT -8
I agree with SusieQ It's kind of a grey area with restoration. By that I mean, in a classic car restoration, a replacement of parts, a rebuild of frame, a fabrication of something that doesn't exist anymore, is still considered a restoration not a rebuild. But, with trailers, I've seen so many that have hade there almost everything replaced, I question what it qualifies as! IMHO, I think, if you are able to keep the skin, the fixtures, most of the cabinetry, and are able to maybe keep a birch panel or two (even if it's closet), and if you stay true to the integrity of the original idea of the design and stay era specific, it should qualify as a restoration.
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Post by John Palmer on Feb 14, 2015 18:04:23 GMT -8
I agree with SusieQ It's kind of a grey area with restoration. By that I mean, in a classic car restoration, a replacement of parts, a rebuild of frame, a fabrication of something that doesn't exist anymore, is still considered a restoration not a rebuild. But, with trailers, I've seen so many that have hade there almost everything replaced, I question what it qualifies as! IMHO, I think, if you are able to keep the skin, the fixtures, most of the cabinetry, and are able to maybe keep a birch panel or two (even if it's closet), and if you stay true to the integrity of the original idea of the design and stay era specific, it should qualify as a restoration. The reason that the word REBUILD or REBUILT is not good to use in the car hobby, is because you get into problems with the DMV and their definition of a RECONSTRUCTED vehicle, requiring a Salvage Title.
Almost every trailer we rebuild from the frame up, would meet the DMV definition for a Salvage Title.
But then it's a mute point because our trailers are too old to finance, so the actual title type does not matter, as long as it's registered for the road.
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Post by lakewoodgirl on Feb 14, 2015 20:01:18 GMT -8
That makes sense, but don't you think somehow, someone should clarify this to those who are new to this? I'm not wanting to start a debate but, wouldn't it be nice to know? John Palmer I nominate you to write these rules! LOL
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Post by John Palmer on Feb 15, 2015 9:58:52 GMT -8
That makes sense, but don't you think somehow, someone should clarify this to those who are new to this? I'm not wanting to start a debate but, wouldn't it be nice to know? John Palmer I nominate you to write these rules! LOL It's my opinion that Newbies only want to hear, "what they want to hear" and the REAL FACTS just go in one ear and out the other.
You see the example every day on this, and other forums.
It goes something like this,
I'M NEW TO VINTAGE TRAILERS, AND WANT TO KNOW HOW TO FIX MY LEAKING ( ROOF/VENT/WINDOW/ETC)?
Answer, remove the drip rails, remove the vents, pull the skin back, check for damage, reseal with new putty.
IS THERE AN EASIER WAY FOR FIX IT, HOW ABOUT JUST SMEARING SOME ROOF GUNK?
Answer no!
You never hear back from them again.
It really does not matter what words we use to describe the repairs or condition. What is important is that anyone new should take their time, and become educated about how to do proper repairs before they purchase any trailer, all the required information is on this forum. Just my opinion.
Buyer education, a good understanding of your ability to complete the required repairs, and the cost of materials is the most important issues to consider.
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 15, 2015 18:34:42 GMT -8
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Post by RJ on Feb 15, 2015 19:51:59 GMT -8
Soooo, would that be a frame up resto? Just guessing yes
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Post by bigbill on Feb 16, 2015 2:11:39 GMT -8
That might be a tires up replace.
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