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Post by turbodaddy on Oct 13, 2014 16:47:40 GMT -8
We have car-tent camped in NM on BLM land, some really awesome places, never felt too vulnerable. Once when my wife was nearly bursting with our not-yet-born daughter we rented a "CruiseAmerica" RV and felt like we stuck out like a sore thumb, like a target for bad things to happen. Nothing did.
Now that we have our freshly painted vintage trailer in bright red and white, I wonder if we'd be ok in those beautiful remote areas? Should we only stay in campgrounds? Do we need "Protected by Smith & Wesson" stickers...or do we actually NEED a gun? Jeez, I hate worrying about this stuff!
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Post by nccamper on Oct 13, 2014 18:03:14 GMT -8
My wife and I love BLM camping. We stayed 4 days WAY out in the Utah desert just after buying our Shasta. Except for the camp host, we were alone miles from anyone and we felt very safe. A camper hitch lock is a good idea while you're out exploring. The way I see it, leaving things in a tent is always riskier. Breaking a window or prying open a door is a little too exposed but walking quickly on a tent site for a grab-and-go is easy. With all that said, I understand why you feel vulnerable. I've seen The Deliverance. But I felt more vulnerable coming home late on the NYC subway, with people around me, than on BLM property.
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Post by mobiltec on Oct 13, 2014 18:05:11 GMT -8
I don't really know how to respond to this because it used to be not a problem. But now I just don't know. Between the economy, trailer thieves and tweekers I just don't know what is safe any more. I do a lot of "dry camping" on BLM land and have never had a trailer out there that I had more than a couple of grand into. I would never leave something like the 57 Shasta or the 58 Deville that I restored out there unattended for very long. Maybe not at all.
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Post by mobiltec on Oct 13, 2014 18:08:42 GMT -8
NC that is a beautiful shot. The colors from the Utah mesas in the background are reflected in the siding of the trailer. Beautiful...
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Post by turbodaddy on Oct 14, 2014 3:43:38 GMT -8
That is exactly where I want to be. Just looking at that photo makes me feel like I can breath easier. Thanks.
Still want to know if there is a consensus regarding firearms while traveling? Personally, I never have wanted one or felt that I needed one. I recently had a bad experience with a loaded semi-automatic Mauser that I found in a lockbox in my recently deceased cousin's house. Learn from me!
This is a funny story, sort of:
My cousin was very ill and on all kinds of prescribed narcotics. When we got the call from ER that he'd passed away I went to his house (in the city) to get rid of anything that might be of value. He had a wheelchair ramp in front of the house so it was obvious that someone lived there with compromised health issues. He also had an understandable distrust of "the system" and I found huge stashes of cash hidden all over the place. Finally, I found a lockbox in a closet, but no key. So without even thinking about it I took the narcotics, cash and lockbox and put them in my car. Drove home at 70 MPH. VERY LUCKY that I didn't get pulled over for speeding! "Golly officer, you see.........."
When I got home I picked the lock and opened the box...more cash and a handgun with a bunch of hollow nosed bullets. So like any good daddy, I wanted my home to be safe until I could figure out how to properly get rid of the gun. So like a dumb--- I tried to remove the clip (watched a Youtube video first). BOOM! I didn't realize that there was still one bullet in the chamber and somehow while handling the damn thing I hit the trigger and blew out the glass slider on my deck! Next morning I went to the local police station with the narcotics, ammunition and handgun. "I want to get rid of this stuff, it belonged to my cousin who just died" Officer at window tells me I shouldn't have the gun in my possession without a license to carry!
I "borrowed" the $350 it cost to replace the slider from my cousin.
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Post by nccamper on Oct 14, 2014 6:20:30 GMT -8
I went to the local police station with the narcotics, ammunition and handgun. "I want to get rid of this stuff, it belonged to my cousin who just died" Officer at window tells me I shouldn't have the gun in my possession without a license to carry! Funny story. Where I grew up, the gun and narcotics were considered the "inheritance". Something special left as a legacy for the kids. But I digress... Some people carry mace in case a drunk camper gets unruly. Since we have never had a problem, we don't bother. My friend has a big gun collection and a permit to carry. He raised several questions recently...what happens when you cross the state line? And do you carry it at all times? And if you have it in a lock box because of kids it will take several minutes to get the gun out, so what good will it really be? Complicated. Not to be too graphic, but mace and a camping knife seem like a more controllable set of deterrents. As my friends says, "once you pull a handgun out, you better be ready to use it because if the bad guys take it away it will make matters much worse".
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Post by mobiltec on Oct 14, 2014 8:35:55 GMT -8
One of the few problems that I have had while dry camping is not of the two legged type. And it's also one of the reasons that I like to tent camp so much.... BEARS... You can't leave even a trace of food in your car, your tent or your camper or the bears will break in and tear your car, tent or camper to pieces. Even a candy wrapper is enough for them to become interested so when I'm camping in places like that I take all my food and trash with me when I leave camp. The only time I tow a trailer is when I'm staying in a controlled camp site where there are no bears like this one...
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Post by nccamper on Oct 14, 2014 8:57:45 GMT -8
Using most handguns on a bear would just make them mad. Besides, look at that ferocious gauard dog! What bear would mess with that site?
Seriously, a big dog is better than a gun. Nobody messes with a campsite guarded by a German Shepard.
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Post by chametzoo on Oct 14, 2014 9:52:02 GMT -8
I hate worrying about this stuff! Turbo… my sentiments exactly regarding safety in remote areas. I live in northern NM and in the spring I plan on doing a bunch of camping like you describe. Overnight excursions from my home, with trailer as base camp for some hiking and climbing. In fact I'm currently customizing my '60 Mobile Scout to be optimized for more extended dry/off grid camping. If you enjoy this kind of camping with your TT, I hope you've discovered this app called "The Ultimate U.S. Public Campground Project". There is also a website here with the same information: www.ultimatecampgrounds.com. It is without question the best guide to all of these remote and very special places to tow your trailer and hang out in nature… including BLM and many, many other types of public sites. Good luck with your back roads camping and protect yourself and your trailer in a realistic way. As many here are implying, it's good to be prepared, but really think it through and consider what you're willing to take on in terms of protection of both yourself and your property.
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Post by mntrailer66 on Oct 14, 2014 11:39:00 GMT -8
Excellent website Chametzoo, I have not seen that before, looks like it will be very helpful. Thanks for posting that.
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Post by mobiltec on Oct 14, 2014 11:52:29 GMT -8
Using most handguns on a bear would just make them mad. Besides, look at that ferocious gauard dog! What bear would mess with that site? Seriously, a big dog is better than a gun. Nobody messes with a campsite guarded by a German Shepard. I would never even consider using my gun against a bear. It would just make him mad. I have bear spray and bear sense for that. But I did have to shoot at a mountain lion once who was about to attack my dog. The only thing I worry about with bears is leaving my camper with the smell of food in it for the bears to tear up. My gun is mostly for the cats and the two legged animals.
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Post by pirateslife on Oct 14, 2014 17:10:19 GMT -8
if want to carry a gun, get training!!!! take a safety course, get licensed to carry if your state permits it. The main thing is, theink very seriously, if it came down to it, can you pull the trigger. If you say, im not sure then no to a gun. I have a carry permit and carry regularly, shotgun with buckshot at home. Come into my house uninvited, or threaten my family or myself there will be no hesitation.
Disclaimer: This response comes from the South where we believe in guns and know how to use them and from the state of tn that lets us carry open or concealed. They also quietly passed a law to allow any resident to carry a loaded gun in the car.
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Post by chametzoo on Oct 14, 2014 18:00:17 GMT -8
Excellent website Chametzoo, I have not seen that before, looks like it will be very helpful. Thanks for posting that. You're welcome. If you have a smart phone, get the app. It works really well and does a good job of connecting you to other information outside of the app. If you don't have a smart phone, apps like these are a good reason to get one . The app/website is actually information contributed and updated by folks like us who like visiting public campgrounds. So the database is updated very regularly.
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Post by turbodaddy on Oct 14, 2014 18:27:02 GMT -8
I got chased by a bear once, mother with cubs. She first chased the cubs up into a tree, then turned on us. I have never run so fast in my life, we all ended up on the roof of the '67 VW camper, some of us left shoes behind. Nobody got hurt. It was just a black bear...Grizzlies and brown bears scare me. Pretty much only snakes and bears scare me. You could tell me "there's a snake right in front of your door" and I'd still jump 3 feet into the air when I saw it. Mobiltec, the whole reason I got a trailer was 'cause I didn't think a bear could "git" me, what with all that aluminum and stuff...nothing like flimsy tent canvas!
Chametzoo, I'll check out the website, thanks. Thanks to all of you for the advice regarding "thinking" about the reality of using a gun. Good advice. I think I like the idea of a warning, just so they might think twice.
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Post by mobiltec on Oct 14, 2014 18:28:26 GMT -8
I got chased by a bear once, mother with cubs. She first chased the cubs up into a tree, then turned on us. I have never run so fast in my life, we all ended up on the roof of the '67 VW camper, some of us left shoes behind. Nobody got hurt. It was just a black bear...Grizzlies and brown bears scare me. Pretty much only snakes and bears scare me. You could tell me "there's a snake right in front of your door" and I'd still jump 3 feet into the air when I saw it. Mobiltec, the whole reason I got a trailer was 'cause I didn't think a bear could "git" me, what with all that aluminum and stuff...nothing like flimsy tent canvas! Chametzoo, I'll check out the website, thanks. Thanks to all of you for the advice regarding "thinking" about the reality of using a gun. Good advice. I think I like the idea of a warning, just so they might think twice. They break into cars, trucks, campers, bear proof dumpters... houses... You name it. And they do a lot of damage getting in.
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