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Post by ladywendolyn on Oct 8, 2014 12:39:13 GMT -8
I am planning to replace the original gas furnace in my trailer due to safety concerns. I will be installing a Wave heater instead. However I have come across an article from one of the RV shows that showed a couple who took a 1947 really cool heater and had it "rebuilt" I am wondering if that is a safe possibility? Has anyone here done that? The other idea I have had, is to buy a vintage gas heater that is big enough to gut and place the exterior cover in front of the Wave heater. Has anyone done this? I found the one in the second photo on ebay for $29.00, there are quite a few floating around. Lady W
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Post by John Palmer on Oct 8, 2014 14:45:54 GMT -8
I think it would be easy "to re-face" a modern heater with a vintage cover, but your not going to find many people advocating it be done, at least IMO. Something like that needs to be engineered.
Anytime you ignite a fuel, it is very sensitive to the air/fuel mixture. If you restrict the oxygen (intake air) by even a small amount the normal blue flame will turn to a yellow color and the high amount of un-burnt fuel will be floating around inside your trailer. This is not what you need inside a trailer that your also sleeping inside. This is why you need to adjust your stove top burners "after you get to the altitude" of your camp site. The fuel flow remains the same, but you can adjust the amount of air mixture with just a straight blade screwdriver for a nice blue flame.
Here's another possible solution for a vintage look. Restore "the look" of your vintage heater, I agree they are very retro. But when you go to bed a night, place a small modern "electric" thermostatically controlled heater on the stove top. Just make sure during your rebuild that you have an adequate amp circuit receptacle near your stove top. Our heater clicks on/off about one time an hour during the night, at 7,000 feet altitude.
In a small trailer like 99% of the trailer's on this site, need very little to heat them because of all the efforts we do to insulate and seal them up during the rebuild. A bigger problem is keeping them ventilated to prevent condensation build up in cool weather. We never completely close the roof vent, and always have at least two windows open on the "down wind" side.
You could also install the modern Wave, and make a "Daytime" vintage cover for it out of an old heater. Just remove the decorative cover before you turn it on. It could be as simple a just a couple of hooks.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Oct 8, 2014 17:06:43 GMT -8
I love your last idea. Simple, cosmetic and take it off at night. I would like to go with a wave heater so we can boondock. Thanks for the idea...
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Post by edog1973 on Oct 9, 2014 6:40:04 GMT -8
We spent a weekend camping on the Oregon coast in June It was a cold and rainy weekend so we closed up all the windows tight over night. At about 4:00 am we were startled awake by a very loud voice saying "Evacuate! Evacuate!" The carbon monoxide detector I had installed was going off. Scared the #!%@ out of us!
The only flame we had going in the trailer at the time was the pilot light inside the stove. If the little pilot light could cause a dangerous situation imagine what a malfunctioning heater could do. Error on the side of caution. I know the smoke / CO detectors do not match the quaint vintage styling we all love, but please install on anyway.
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Post by SusieQ on Oct 9, 2014 6:46:31 GMT -8
You should always have some ventilation in your trailer, especially if you're using heat of any kind. Crack your vent and a window to make sure you have fresh air circulating.
Keep in mind, our rebuilt trailers are probably much tighter than the originals.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Oct 9, 2014 7:58:00 GMT -8
Yes.. I hear you on that. I am for sure going to install a detector, plus I agree that it can be a very dangerous thing. My trailer actually has a "working furnace" in it. However it is a 1966 trailer, and I am not too sure how I feel about the safety level of the existing furnace. It does have the exterior exhaust going right out the side of the trailer, which I am told is safer, however unless I can find an old guy at our local trailer place who can clean and test and safety it, I will replace it with a wave heater.
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Post by John Palmer on Oct 10, 2014 7:46:03 GMT -8
We spent a weekend camping on the Oregon coast in June It was a cold and rainy weekend so we closed up all the windows tight over night. At about 4:00 am we were startled awake by a very loud voice saying "Evacuate! Evacuate!" The carbon monoxide detector I had installed was going off. Scared the #!%@ out of us! The only flame we had going in the trailer at the time was the pilot light inside the stove. If the little pilot light could cause a dangerous situation imagine what a malfunctioning heater could do. Error on the side of caution. I know the smoke / CO detectors do not match the quaint vintage styling we all love, but please install on anyway. I have done............and I have heard...........a lot of stupid things in my life!
But this one TOPS THE LIST!
You cannot seal up a trailer, and still EXPECT to wake up in the morning!
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Post by ladywendolyn on Oct 10, 2014 9:43:25 GMT -8
I can guarantee that about 90% of the newbies on the trailer forums on facebook have no idea of the reality you just stated. As the vintage trailer craze continues I bet we will hear some pretty sad stories... of stupid behaviour on many fronts.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Oct 10, 2014 14:08:42 GMT -8
John Palmer, Can you answer a question for me please. If I did get the existing gas furnace cleaned and functional, would the fact that it has direct exhaust to the outside, cut down on fumes on the inside? Or can there be byproducts just from running it? Would a CO2 alarm catch this? Thanks
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Post by nccamper on Oct 10, 2014 19:27:57 GMT -8
I wondered about this subject myself. As you can see, the heater in our Forester is huge. It's vents through the roof but it must still put out some CO2. On top of which, to replace it would mean replacing the panel which is a job in itself. The new heaters are one tenth the size.
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Post by John Palmer on Oct 10, 2014 20:11:41 GMT -8
Let me qualify my view point by saying I'm not an engineer.
Lets first not discuss the heater, how efficient, or inefficient it may be in burning the fuel.
The first thing everyone needs to remember is these trailers were never very well sealed as far as being "air tight", when they were new sixty years ago. We come along "as restorers", and do a much better job of sealing up a trailer than they ever were when they were new. We pack them full of insulation, we wrap them in house wrap, we caulk and seal every crevice. We install new window and door seals.
You had to have a window, or two, open back in the day for adequate safe ventilation, and you certainly still need to provide for adequate safe ventilation today "with, or without" a gas burning heater. If people are breathing inside a fully enclosed space, it should just be common sense that since it's a sealed space, and your consuming the available "limited" oxygen, that at some point in time your going to die!
Yes, I would agree that you want to take every step possible to make sure you have a clean burning heater. It should have all the intake and exhaust air paths cleaned of debris, spider webs, leaves, etc. The basic's are you need to have a path for fresh "air to enter", and a path for spent "air to exit". Keeping a window or two cracked open on the downwind side of the trailer, and the roof vent cracked open an inch or two will make a "life saving" difference. If the gas heater is turned on, make sure you have everything clean, and you have a nice blue burning flame.
If in any doubt, contact a heating/air conditioning professional.
How you feel If someone was injured, or worse, in your trailer?
I'm camping in a trailer tonight without any alarms! But, I'm a big believer in their safety importance. This thread will remind me to pick up a couple the next time I'm at the store.
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Post by edog1973 on Oct 11, 2014 6:56:33 GMT -8
All modern furnaces have an external combustion air supply. This performs a couple important functions. Burning inside air consumes the oxygen you need to breath. The byproduct of burning propane is carbon dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O). Both are completely harmless However, when you have an inadequate oxygen supply the CO2 molecules can not fully form. Some of the carbons bind with a single oxygen and form carbon monoxide (CO) instead. Additionally modern heaters separate combustion air from internal air. The combustion chamber is completely sealed from the internal air that is being heated. This keeps the fumes from mixing with the air you are breathing.
Does your heater have an external air supply? Does it have a sealed burn chamber that exhausts outside? Inspect the burn chamber to see if there are any visible cracks that could leak exhaust fumes.
I personally don't trust the "Wave" heaters. They are burning inside oxygen AND exhausting inside. They claim to operate at a high enough temperature to ensure a complete burn that does not produce carbon monoxide, but what happens when it stops working correctly.
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Post by ladywendolyn on Oct 11, 2014 7:45:12 GMT -8
Good points... I know my current furnace exhausts outside, but I do not know if it is properly sealed. I guess one option would be a new furnace. I haven't priced that out.. but I also know, that too man people die trying to save a few dollars.. so it is safety first. Even on our modern trailer, I always keep a small window near the stove open about 3 inches no matter what the weather.. I feel like even a gas stove gives off some fumes..
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