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Post by diymom on Jun 17, 2014 14:14:25 GMT -8
I have a 58 Airflyte and the lower kitchen cabinets were hacked up...new counter top installed and I have no reference for the sides of the counters-you know- where the side splash is supposed to be on the right side of the stove and left side of the sink? they are completely gone.
I also wanted to know where or what else you all used on the inner side of the side splash for the stove- looks like Original is Stainless or aluminum...Has anyone insulated the stainless between the wood for that? My oven shelf had to completely come out-it was burned under the oven---rats nest caught on fire or maybe my oven is bad? If anyone has a photo of their oven bay area with the oven removed, could u post it? or of the counter behind the stove-how deep should it be?
I am really irritated about how hacked my cabinetry is- I wasn't an expert on what it looked like originally- so I had no idea how altered it was-its really poorly altered too...I just can't live with it that way-its making my eye twitch.
I wish I could check out a similar shasta in my neck of the woods for reference-anyone live near orange county ca with a similar airflyte?
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Post by ladywendolyn on Jun 17, 2014 15:40:24 GMT -8
Have you considered refacing the cabinets with a thin layer of quality wood working birch? (1/2 inch) If you can match the original Shellac you would be able to really improve them. Why don't you post some photos of how it looks now. There are lots of creativity on this site and I've noticed that if people can see it, you will get lots of feedback.
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Post by diymom on Jun 17, 2014 21:25:15 GMT -8
So I will take some pictures of what I am talking about to drum up interest...maybe in the AM.
I am a little wary of attacking this cabinet project as I am unsure whether they used 3/4 inch plywood and door skin or 1/2 inch with 1/4 inch door skin or some super thin veneer. I saw peel and stick veneer at the lumber store today that looked really appealing... a nice, easy way to make things look nice without the work....but of course totally wrong and probably not long lasting.
I think I am going to do the door first to boost my confidence.
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Post by Ten on Jun 18, 2014 12:45:07 GMT -8
I am not absolutely sure how different the '58 is from the '64, but I have my oven removed from the counter cabinet and can get you photos of it removed. If the sink and counter are all close to your original I'll be glad to help with photos and measures....
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Post by Schatzi on Jun 18, 2014 16:58:27 GMT -8
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Post by diymom on Jun 19, 2014 13:29:12 GMT -8
Thanks! I am looking through your images on flickr now- I think I'd like to know how high off the counter the side splash is against the wall and the measurement in height where it begins at the edge of the counter... its like a rounded triangle and I want to make the piece as close as I can. I could eye it, but it would be nice to start out with accurate measurements.
Also-how wide is it? the wood, stainless and veneer? is it 3/4 or wider? will the 3/4 molding for counter tops work, or will I need that funny size (13/16ths?) that VTS sells?
did anyone get their oven (propane system) tested when they re installed the oven? I am really worried that something is wrong with the oven since the base shelf was burned out. It could have just been a rats nest that ignited...but who knows!?
what kind of counter do I get? ugh! I looked up formica but there are so many kinds with boards and stuff already on them. This project is getting huge!
oh- is there supposed to be a working fan above the oven where the vent in the cabinets is? I don't have anything in the hole and I would really like to know if there is something that will improve ventilation available. didn't see anything on VTS.
pictures to come- kid was sick and then really needy when recuperating-then house got really messy...too much going on!!! need a clone army!
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Post by coloradoan on Jun 19, 2014 20:33:42 GMT -8
did anyone get their oven (propane system) tested when they re installed the oven? I am really worried that something is wrong with the oven since the base shelf was burned out. It could have just been a rats nest that ignited...but who knows!? oh- is there supposed to be a working fan above the oven where the vent in the cabinets is? I don't have anything in the hole and I would really like to know if there is something that will improve ventilation available. didn't see anything on VTS. The floor of my oven bay was also scorched (see photos). I put some metal down before I reinstalled the oven. Also - there never was a fan in that hole in the hood above the oven in my '59 Airflyte. I am installing a Fantastic Fan where the original vent was in the roof. I've heard too many rave reviews of them and decided it was a necessary upgrade for the 21st century! I'll be happy to post the dimensions that you requested. I will be back out to the shop tomorrow and will get them, but probably won't be able to post again until tomorrow night or Saturday. Looking forward to your photos!    
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Post by diymom on Jun 20, 2014 19:50:51 GMT -8
Wow! your counters are in such nice shape! Wish my trailer wasn't so...different. ok...so nobody get jealous over my spiffy modified oven bay and ugly counter and hack job modifications-no drooling---ready?     so- clearly this is much better than original! I am going to work on it sunday and fix it up right, then I'll order the trim later. Will use shellacked birch over 1/2 inch plywood as the base-because its what I already have on hand. how does the oven bolt in by the way? also- is it a NO NO to have flex propane line hooked up to the oven? if it gets too hot-is it a problem?
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Post by vikx on Jun 20, 2014 22:05:34 GMT -8
I just re-framed the stove cabinet for a Princess stove and was concerned about just what I see above...
The Princess has a simple metal plate as the stove bottom, no insulation, NADA. Using the oven for any length of time could very well fry the support boards. Scary.
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Post by diymom on Jun 20, 2014 22:16:28 GMT -8
I just re-framed the stove cabinet for a Princess stove and was concerned about just what I see above... The Princess has a simple metal plate as the stove bottom, no insulation, NADA. Using the oven for any length of time could very well fry the support boards. Scary. you know- I haven't checked out the stove yet-yours is a very good observation. I think I'll add some automotive heat sheild under the stove and keep my cook times short! No hour long roasts or baked potatoes. I'm big into biscuits, muffins and quiches and baked bacon in the AM on camping outings (not all in one morning) so I will make sure I don't preheat for too long as the first two may require high cook temps (400). One more thing to buy!!! maybe thats why everyone seems to have burning/charring under the stove---not just a case of vermin.
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Post by vikx on Jun 20, 2014 23:39:38 GMT -8
Also: the stoves have holes in the bottom plate for ventilation.. not sure how well insulation is going to work unless the stove is raised a bit above it for air circulation. In other words, 3/4" above the supports, with air flow.
Drat. Back to the drawing board for me. I'll try to post photos...
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Post by diymom on Jun 21, 2014 18:11:56 GMT -8
Also: the stoves have holes in the bottom plate for ventilation.. not sure how well insulation is going to work unless the stove is raised a bit above it for air circulation. In other words, 3/4" above the supports, with air flow. Drat. Back to the drawing board for me. I'll try to post photos... Ok- I'm working on it tomorrow- measurements anyone? I will elevate it with some aluminum pieces I have from a window we removed a while back for the needed circulation-good idea- it may look a little odd- but ventilation is always a good thing. How does this oven get sucured- anyone know? bolts anywhere? I don't see any holes in the pictures for bolts or straps.
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Post by vikx on Jun 21, 2014 21:34:26 GMT -8
The stove "box" is 19 1/2" wide, about 16 1/2 deep.
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Post by maddan on Jun 22, 2014 11:24:03 GMT -8
I'm requesting advice on an appropriate heat shield. My Westerner originally came with a 3 burner cooktop. At sometime, a PO removed the cooktop and replaced with a Princess stove/oven, currently not hooked up. As such, no heat shield is present. I plan to add stainless on top of the lower support shelf, as well as across the back wall of the oven. Finally, I plan to add a piece on the end side wall of the oven, extending up to form a side splash for the stove top. Will stainless work for all areas in this rebuild of the stove/oven cabinet area?
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Post by diymom on Jun 22, 2014 12:04:21 GMT -8
I don't think stainless will do anything for shielding the heat unless it has space or insulation between it and the wood framing. I've decided I am going to use some laminate on top of the shelf I'll build and add two pieces of 3/4" box aluminum from window channel under the stove (and secure it)to provide ventilation-
I think if you have room between the oven base and the shelf for heat to disburse or if you add a thin heat shield (like they have at automotive stores for firewalls and floors)under your stainless...either would likely work to eliminate burning of wood structure. If you set the stainless directly on top of the wood, it would heat up as much as the bottom of the oven would- metals conduct heat.
thanks for the measurements! I'm starting as soon as my husband gets back from Home Depot.
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