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Post by pathfinder3081 on May 8, 2014 6:03:04 GMT -8
This is super advice from the experienced folk whom have contributed to this article and this forum. Try to know as much as you can about the trailer you are about to purchase. Try to know about the hiding spots and red flags that are quick to the eye upon inspection. I do not recommend bragging on your knowledge though or pulling out an ice pick. Just be cool and to the point. The PO on our unit went to great length explaining how "Condensation" on the rear and front windows caused the top layer of the Paneling to bubble and roll.  Instead of calling him on it I just "Mmmmm" and nodded my head. If it's bad and showing naked to the eye the sale price should reflect it. If it's bad and hiding you have three options. Call them on it and try to reflect a reduced sale price versus repair cost. Pay out a haggled sales price for it or walk away. I tried the old, "Thanks a lot anyway" and climbed back into the truck over $200. When I started the Dodge my wife grabbed my wrist.. "I'll give ya the 200" she said. Another potential buyer pulled in behind us as we were completing the offer to purchase note.. We were fortunate, we have been able to camp in our camper since day one. But I paid $2,200 for it to. I have dropped another 1500 in her since then, but that has addressed everything. Almost everything, I still have a few things I want to do. But I will be where I want to be at around $4,000.00 +/- out of pocket. Hours? If I was to look at like Job labor hours? Perhaps 200. Most of them fun, some of them.. not so much. (lol)
So.. It's not all doom and gloom. My advice is not to jump in over your head with a "frame-off" unless you got your game on and nothing else to do for a few weeks. I met a nice guy last week who completed a fine frame off and rebuild in 12 weeks and worked a full time job as well. It was Remarkable. Find one that is in your budget and skill level. They need to be made safe first and camp able second. They don't have to look "Show-room" finished to go camping in either. And when you get them up to par and looking good, you'll be surprised what people offer you for it. Good luck and happy hunting.
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Post by mobiltec on May 8, 2014 14:07:49 GMT -8
You need 4 things besides the desire and motivation to do a complete vintage camper restore....
1. A Budget... You don't need to have all the money on hand at once. As the money comes in go ahead and order the things you need. Install them as you get the time. But do sit down and take inventory on all the items you will need before you start so you know where you are going money wise.
2. My videos... I'm not a professional by any means and don't care to be one. I don't make my living doing this. Quite the opposite. I'm that guy who spends a ton of money building a $15k trailer and sells it for $12,500 so I can move on to the next one. But I got really tired of typing out instructions over and over so I began sharing my build experiences on You Tube. The videos are there to help you along and maybe make your restoral journey a better one. I don't claim to know it all but my videos will give you a good start. This forum will also help with your education.
3. This Forum... There is no better resource for vintage trailer information than this forum.
4. A place to do it... Having a place indoors to work on your trailer is always the best way to go but very few people actually have that option at their disposal. I have built all of my trailers outdoors and have had to hunker down for every type of weather except snow. That's where living in Southern California has benefited me the most but we do get our share of wind, hail, thunder and lightning and sometimes huge amounts of rain. And the real problem is that it can sometimes come up out of no where. One moment the skies are clear and a half hour later it's raining cats and dogs. So you must be prepared to shelter your project in some way. Tarps work but they don't last. Wind and the sun will just eat them alive. I highly suggest you spend some of your money on a metal cover because once you are finished you will want a nice shelter for your beauty anyhow.
Don't be afraid to ask questions here folks because there really is no such thing as a stupid question in this hobby. Might be a lot of stupid answers so take it all in and do your homework. Research is key. Patience is also key. This is a hobby, not a race. Enjoy and good luck to you all.
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Post by pam on Aug 9, 2014 3:05:26 GMT -8
nccamnper I think your wife is wrong because once you get the garage built you have to add more lights, heat and air, shelves and cupboards, then now that you have more space you must have more and bigger tools, plus a good air compressor. My wife estimates that $100,000 over a period of years is a much closer estimate. But as she tells her friends it will all go in the sale some day and she would rather have me playing in the garage than out chasing women and drinking.  I nearly spit my coffee out laughing at your comment!! LOL Your wife is a wise woman:)
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Post by dwells on Aug 15, 2014 9:41:48 GMT -8
I thought I was done rebuilding campers until a friend called and said she needed to get her old family camper out of the driveway so she could bring in a chicken coop. Free? Ok, if you insist. Now if I just had a shelter tall enough to work under. I've considered one of those portable garages but they aren't tall enough. At least not one in my price range.
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Post by Teachndad on Aug 30, 2014 6:23:41 GMT -8
As a newbie, this thread hits home! The advice and resourcefulness of the people on this forum simply amaze me.
I have been spending hours and hours reading posts and viewing videos as well as checking craigslist, if anything just to see what's out there. Much to the exclusion of everything else. I need to temper it a bit and even out the excitement of the chase. Like someone said, better to be at home than out chasing skirts.
So, far, I have gone to see two trailers in person and learned from that experience.
I am currently developing what I really want to shoot for. Like others have said, I need to find what fits my budget and skillset for repairing, as well as how to balance the time.
I am going to my first vintage trailer rally in September, so that should be fun. I am even pimping out my 1985 pop up just to get a my fix it fix.
Now, if I just need to save some money....
Cheers
Rod
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Post by vintagebruce on Oct 8, 2014 17:19:56 GMT -8
My advice...Do Not put a cool looking camper on your watch list with 5 days to go on ebay, and then go back and view it every day until there is still 2 days left and no one has made the minimum bid. You might feel like it is time to "get the bids rolling"..I mean there is still 2 days and many lurkers are just waiting for that first bid before jumping in themselves, right?. How do I know this? I hit that Bid Now button...I mean, why not...it was only $525 for a 23'(w/tongue)1950 Travelo that was kind of a breadloaf for crying out loud! With the interior pretty much intact including the original Marvel fridge. Boy was I surprised when I got my congratulations notice that I won!...did I mention I live on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and the Travelo was in MAINE? Well that is another item to discuss...BE SURE YOU PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE THE CAMPER IS LOCATED...I do have to admit I still love that Travelo:)
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Post by mobiltec on Oct 20, 2014 20:04:36 GMT -8
I tried to buy an old Travelo from a mining company because I figured they weren't using it. To my surprise they were still using it as an office trailer just like when they moved it there in 1951.... Dang...
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Post by gordy on Feb 21, 2015 17:06:07 GMT -8
Hello everyone, I am new to this board and find it fascinating reading. I am seeking some advice. My daughter and I are very interested in buying a vintage trailer, but are on the fence as to how old to go. Since we are two "girls" is it better to buy a trailer that has been mostly restored, and we can decorate ourselves. Or should we walk away from this crazy dream of ours. Reading all the posts of what could go wrong and it being a money pit is scary. Because we live in Canada (close to Buffalo) old trailers are hard to come by, compared to the west coast and the southern states.
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Post by vikx on Feb 21, 2015 21:56:28 GMT -8
I suggest you go with a restored trailer with PICTURES TO PROVE THE WORK. There are so many "restored" that aren't. We are here for you.
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Post by vintagebruce on Feb 22, 2015 6:17:38 GMT -8
gordy...welcome to VTT  . I would suggest that you and your daughter could get into a small camper that you can enjoy decorating and learning how to hook up/ set-up and tow. If your budget is not bare bones, buying a popular model that might more easily resell if and when you are ready for something else would be desirable. That said, something like this Shasta Compact that is painted inside and appears to be ready for personalization might be something to consider. In my opinion the price is too high, and a personal inspection could allow you to see where problems are, that would allow you to negotiate a (much) lower price. Other Members could help suggest a more realistic price. But at entry level, you can't beat a (next gen - from the canned ham shape) Shasta Compact with her wings. If this camper interests you maybe we have a Member who would be willing to arrange to meet you and help with the inspection if a Member lives near this camper. In reading the full comments in the ad, please note...the cylinder for the door can be removed and taken to a DIY Big Box store like Lowes and be re-keyed for less than $5. Can't believe the seller does not know this. The cylinders on the storage compartment can also be removed at the same time and be keyed to the same key for probably less than $10 total for all three cylinders. Easy removal and refit. I know because even I was able to do this with my 1961 Shasta Compact. Good luck! hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/rvs/4900332469.html
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Post by nccamper on Feb 22, 2015 10:03:06 GMT -8
Gordy, If you don't love the idea of working on a vintage camper, go with one that's restored. Some people do it as a hobby and sell for the money they have in the project. Buy one that doesn't have a $3000 paint job and perfect body and you might get a very nice camper at a nice price. VIKX is right, ask for proof that the repair work was actually done. Paint hides a lot. vintagebruce made a good suggestion of a Shasta Compact. It is really easy to tow. I bought one in Colorado for $1750. The framing was in good condition but it definitely needed work. The rounded Compacts (pre 1964ish) seem to command a higher price. For a camper with the dinette in the front that becomes a bed, and the bed/couch in the rear, I like a the Shasta Airflyte, Westener or Deville. None of them are really heavy like our 13' 1962 Forester. On a side note, many of the vintage nuts on this forum actually like the hunt for project campers more than they like camping.  Welcome! 
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 22, 2015 20:27:43 GMT -8
That compact is completely painted inside and I went to her website to view the before and after photos she spoke of and couldn't find them. That's the absolute weirdest website I have ever seen. but then again it's done in Flash. Not my cup of tea. So I would want to see the build photos before I considered a purchase. Of course I would never buy a trailer who's insides were painted anyhow but that's just me I guess. if it's had any rot repaired properly then it could be a good buy. But all that paint tells me to look very closely. Was anyone else able to find the before and after photos the seller spoke of?
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Post by vintagebruce on Feb 23, 2015 6:49:41 GMT -8
It would appear this owner is into a bunch of performance art/social consciousness stuff, and her camper and it's "renovations" were financed by a kickstarter program that included a two month tour of the USofA doing 500 documented nail art "performances". She thanks 3 people for the trailer renovations. Only one of the renovators had a web site with pics, and none of the Shasta renovations, just various pics of what appeared to be kind of a communal type "village" of 2 old RV/campers and one hand built small living hut. It also appears the tour was in 2013/14 so I'm guessing the Shasta that was converted into a rolling nail art studio is/was capable of a sustained 2-month+ tour covering (a claimed) 12,000 miles (if I read correctly). It appears the white interior is to make it pretty basic inside again ( a clean slate) for some buyer to repurpose it back into a camper. I believe owner paid no personal $ for the camper using her kick-starter funding, so I do not know how low a selling offer she might be willing to accept. She is on a "college" faculty and into lots of artsy/social conscious stuff, so I am guessing she wants to get rid of the camper because it has served it's purpose. Other than that I have no opinion. Mobiltec, I believe you are correct, there are no rebuild pics, that is just a thread to 8 videos and some blogs referencing her nails across America tour. I'd offer $1200 as is.
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Post by rockerarm on Jan 26, 2016 11:14:11 GMT -8
I already have my vintage trailer project and wouldn't trade it for anything. A 1968, 19' Concord. I did buy it off the internet, sight unseen. It took a days work to make it road worthy and had to tow it 1300 miles home. I must have gotten a little lucky. I feel like I got a deal on a trailer exactly like I wanted. After three road trips with it I can't wait for the next, which will be New Orleans in March. This is my first, (well, except for a vintage pop up), trailer project and I'm learning as I go. Several up grades have made it more fun and it's a work in progress.
Now, A while back I located an interesting looking old travel trailer in a private junk yard. It's complete, original and in pretty good shape. I casually inspected it and snapped a couple of pictures. The name on the front is "Full Moon" which didn't mean anything to me until I googled it yesterday. It's a twin to the trailer in the Desi & Lucy movie, "The Long Long Trailer" from the mid 1950's. It's available to me, but I have no idea what it's value would be. I know the owner and have bought, sold and traded with him before. Here's how it would go.... Me, Would you sell the trailer...? him, sure. Me. what would you take for it...? Him. What will you give....?
It's huge, probably 40', and I don't know if I have the resources to restore, or even fix it up. But it needs to be saved. Any ideas on what I should offer without making him mad....? LOL.
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 26, 2016 13:55:37 GMT -8
That would be a "Blue Moon". Not full moon. A 40 footer is quite a task to take on.
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