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Post by ocdcarpenter on Jan 23, 2014 4:35:12 GMT -8
Has anyone ever tried to make a 14'break? I will be putting all new skin on my Shasta, and was wondering how to get the bends in the sides with out going to a shop,and who has a 14' break anyway.
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Post by pathfinder3081 on Jan 23, 2014 5:55:56 GMT -8
If you have the space, one can make a brake for siding relativley easy. You'll need some heavy angle 14'+ in length though. I cant' remember if the link was on here or via another site. "here it is": www.ch601.org/tools/bendbrake/brakeplans.pdfThere are a few ideas out there. Surf for it and you'll find a lot of resources.. "Computers and good people sharing". You can learn how do almost anything.. And I am in agreement with Mr. Palmer. 14' is a long "bend" in a piece of camper siding. You might want to let that trailer outfit that he is talking about hook you up..  |
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Post by John Palmer on Jan 23, 2014 12:58:58 GMT -8
First it's a BRAKE to bend metal. Your not going to BREAK something.
Although, it can be done, and I have done it, you will never get a fully uniform long side panel "doing it by hand" on a 14' sheet metal brake (if you can find one). You just can't get every bend the exact same degree all the way across the entire bend on a 14' span. Close is good enough for sheet metal workers bending tin air ducts, they could care less about accuracy and how it looks because it will be covered up in the attic, not hanging on the side of a trailer. Keeping it from scratches is another thing.
If you decide to try, do this trick to improve the quality of your bends. Take a length of 1 1/2" aluminum angle (thicker is better) and lay it on top of you material before you put it into the bending brake. The sharp corner edge of the clamped down angle will give you a much better (as in more uniform) bend.
You cannot beat buying a 14' panel already made to your pattern form Hemet Valley RV. They will box and ship it to you if you unable to will call it. They bend the metal on a machine that has rollers, and make all the brakes at one time, so they are uniform.
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Post by mattyshorts on Jan 23, 2014 14:19:34 GMT -8
Thanks for the info...the spelling correction and all.
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 23, 2014 14:34:58 GMT -8
WRONG!
Hemet Valley RV has a 14 foot hand brake. That's how they do the 6 inch runs. They do it by hand and they will charge you a little extra for it. I have videos showing them doing it. It takes two people and one 14 foot length by 4 foot wide takes about 8 to 10 minutes to do.
All the other runs like 4 inch brakes and repeats are done on the machines with the rollers.
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Post by ocdcarpenter on Jan 23, 2014 16:26:09 GMT -8
You guys are the best, all of you. Great advice, will check Hemet and the price for new aluminum, I found 9' rolled for 15 dollars a foot and thought I could do it myself. And that's a local guy. Like to try to do everything myself. Hate to spend 700 dollars to make a huge mistake. Also thanks for the spelling correction, my secretary was sleeping at 6:30 as I was in my car waiting to go in at work this morning. Can't wait to retire in 9 years, so I can do this full time. Again thanks, will keep reading as I have found so much good advice on this forum. |
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Post by John Palmer on Jan 23, 2014 20:35:39 GMT -8
WRONG!
Hemet Valley RV has a 14 foot hand brake. That's how they do the 6 inch runs. They do it by hand and they will charge you a little extra for it. I have videos showing them doing it. It takes two people and one 14 foot length by 4 foot wide takes about 8 to 10 minutes to do.
All the other runs like 4 inch brakes and repeats are done on the machines with the rollers.
I will stand on my previous statement that you cannot bend a panel "by hand" (on any length brake) as uniform and scratch free, as Hemet Valley RV can do a panel on their roller machine. They can make any length panel on the roller machine.
I'm still not sure why they will not invest in the spacer's to adjust the machine to 5" and 6" brake bends, but it is there business not mine.
I do my trailer's in new skin with a four inch brake pattern "even if it had five inch originally". At 75 MPH who could tell? LOL
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 23, 2014 20:46:45 GMT -8
Agreed John but you said that they make the 6 inch brake patterns on rollers and that is where you were wrong. No big deal I just want people to know how their metal is made. The 6 inch brake patterns are made by hand on a 14 foot hand brake at Hemet Valley RV. Everything else is made on the roller machines.
I've also used a 4 inch brake on the front and rears of trailers that have 6 inch brakes on the sides. That red and white 57 Shasta was like that. Looked great. I need to replace the lower side panels on the 59 and they have to match the top so I'm just going back to 6 inch brakes all the way around this time. |
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Post by John Palmer on Jan 23, 2014 23:29:45 GMT -8
Agreed John but you said that they make the 6 inch brake patterns on rollers and that is where you were wrong. No big deal I just want people to know how their metal is made. The 6 inch brake patterns are made by hand on a 14 foot hand brake at Hemet Valley RV. Everything else is made on the roller machines.
I've also used a 4 inch brake on the front and rears of trailers that have 6 inch brakes on the sides. That red and white 57 Shasta was like that. Looked great. I need to replace the lower side panels on the 59 and they have to match the top so I'm just going back to 6 inch brakes all the way around this time.
LOL, Now I'm really confused.
I went back and read my original post, and I cannot see anywhere that we were even speaking about the different Brake "Pattern Sizes"?
Larry, maybe too much Flu Medicine?
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Post by ocdcarpenter on Jan 24, 2014 2:12:03 GMT -8
So, what do you think they would charge for two side panels, I asked for a quote just waiting for an answer. That's at Hemets RV.
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 24, 2014 7:36:37 GMT -8
So, what do you think they would charge for two side panels, I asked for a quote just waiting for an answer. That's at Hemets RV. I can't speak on estimates for Hemet Valley RV. Sorry LOL. I would just get myself in trouble. However I would like to know how long ago you asked for a quote. Sometimes they get overwhelmed and a quote can slip through the cracks. I recommend calling instead of emailing when asking for a quote. |
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 24, 2014 7:44:39 GMT -8
John the original post set's the conversation at hand at 6 inch brakes. He was not talking about 4 inch brakes. And your comment to said post was this...
"You cannot beat buying a 14' panel already made to your pattern form Hemet Valley RV. They will box and ship it to you if you unable to will call it. They bend the metal on a machine that has rollers, and make all the brakes at one time, so they are uniform."
You may have been thinking 4 inch brakes but you did not say so. It can be confusing to others who don't do this on a daily basis and that's what makes the difference between a good teacher and a bad teacher. You must listen to your words, or in this case read them, and make sure you are on the same page with the person asking the question. In this case all the OP was talking about was 6 inch brakes and you didn't make your point clear that you were talking about 4 inch brakes until I called you on it.
No need to get in a pissing match over it here. We just need to answer the guy's question.
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 24, 2014 21:03:48 GMT -8
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Post by wiartonwillie on Jan 25, 2014 9:11:29 GMT -8
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 25, 2014 9:19:19 GMT -8
That's a nice little bender for 8 foot stock and under, and it only costs $1000. Cool if you are in business like I am. A little pricey for the hobbyist though. |
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