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Dec 19, 2021 10:55:50 GMT -8
Post by olesaka on Dec 19, 2021 10:55:50 GMT -8
How to determine if my 1967 Shasta axle needs to be replaced or just cleaned up? Leaf springs and hangers look like they for sure need to be replaced.
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Dec 19, 2021 19:09:45 GMT -8
Post by WhitneyK on Dec 19, 2021 19:09:45 GMT -8
Please post some pictures, it will help us help you better / more easily... PHOTO TUTORIAL LINKWhitney
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Post by WhitneyK on Dec 23, 2021 17:11:00 GMT -8
To me, your axle looks like most 50+ yr old axles. Some wire brushing, rusty metal primer, some paint, and it should be fine after inspecting, cleaning, replacing what needs replaced on the brakes and bearings. Don't forget to replace the grease seal in the hubs, over 50 yrs old, yep, it time. I replaced my axle because the threads on my spindle were boogered up and I had an axle, just had to narrow it a bit. As far as the springs go, the common opinion is to replace them do to the "less than arching" (dip-de-doodle) sag where it bolts to the axle. This, in a nut shell, is metal fatigue after, again, 54 yrs of the weight of the camper sitting on it whether it has been pulled 50 miles or 50k miles. Mine on my '67 Compact look similar. For now, I disassembled my (unstacked them), cleaned, painted, and applied a lubricant between the leaves before reassembly. May replace at a later time. If there are any leaves that are broke or cracked, definitely replace both sides. OK, here's the catch: If you choose to rebuild, and your '67 Shasta springs are like my '67 Shasta springs, the spring eyes have a rubber and metal sleeved bushing. Can't just order them and I went through every control arm bushing in the auto parts store that I work at with no matches that were close enough to use. I ended up making a new set of bushing from nylon bushing material. Not a bad job, not too time consuming, just, well, ya... On the other hand: Replacing the springs with new ones will give you new metal, standard "modern" bushings, and hopefully; reliability along with restoring ride height. Catch to this one is; chances of you finding an exactly matching (measured) set of springs that will work in your existing spring hangers are very slim. New spring hangers will need to be welded on, which isn't the end of the world, just wanting to make you aware. Depending on where you live will depend on how much trouble it is to find someone to perform this task. Oh ya, don't forget new U-bolts to hold the axle to the springs and spring bolts (hold spring to trailer frame) Hope I didn't scare you. I probably said too much or not enough. And as always, it's just my opinion, didn't say it was a good one... Whitney
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Dec 24, 2021 21:54:00 GMT -8
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Post by Teachndad on Dec 24, 2021 21:54:00 GMT -8
Whitney pretty much covered it.👊
You have to know your skill set and how much time you can invest in either removing the axle and leaf packs, cleaning up everything, and putting it all back together. I did it with the axle on my Westerner based on a pictorial guide I found online, but it took time spread over weekends and I only had to deal with removing the axle from just the steel frame and NOT a frame with the body on top. So, it was a lot safer.
Personally, I am not comfortable crawling under a trailer to remove and reinstall the axle, but that's me. I would just as soon hire someone to do it rather than have the trailer fall on top of me.
For someone who works under cars frequently, it may not be an issue. Experience builds confidence. And there is a sense of accomplishment that you get from cleaning off all that rust, painting it and rebuilding the leaf packs. It's cheaper, too. You won't get that by buying the new axle. It's a tradeoff.
For about $600 you can order a Dexter axle made to your measurements including new brakes and hubs. It might take a month or two to get it, but then you have new everything and you don't have to do all the clean up. Don't forget to order the new spring hangers.
While you are waiting for the axle, you could be working on other things on the trailer.
Just some thoughts.
Welcome, btw.😊
Rod
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Post by WhitneyK on Dec 25, 2021 9:31:19 GMT -8
Just for reference, here's what mine looked like:  The rubber & metal sleeve bushing the used at the factory. I like this idea, it was a good idea to smooth out the ride & reduce noise, but would be nice if it had an easily sourced replacement. There was another member of this site several years ago that actually found a replacement, but they haven't been on the site in a while and I had no luck contacting them.  And my final results (ya, I see that I didn't get enough paint on the u-bolt) My springs have a flat spot above the axle but I went ahead and reused them for now. I replaced the U-bolts, nuts, and welded a spring seat on the axle so I could move it to under the leaf springs. By moving the axle under the springs, this added 4 1/2" in height / ground clearance because the Compacts set so low. I left the original, so if I don't like it, I can always put it back. I used "slip-plate" (graphite) paint between the leaf's (leaves?) after painting. Some use a layer of grease. Even though I replaced my axle with a different one, they were in similar rust covered state. I replaced the axle because (pay attention, this is where it gets confusing): 1. the spindle threads on the original was boogered up 2. I widened the frame 4 1/2" so I could fit a queen size bed sideways 3. this axle had brake assemblies which I really would like to add to this trailer (I've pulled my teardrop in the mountains without brakes for far too long, I WANT BRAKES) 4. this axle was a wee bit heavier duty.  Golly, I get long winded. Anyway, as always, it's just my thoughts and opinions, didn't say they were good ones... Whitney
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Dec 25, 2021 14:49:04 GMT -8
Post by vikx on Dec 25, 2021 14:49:04 GMT -8
Look closely at Whitney's axle. It is placed below the springs. Factory axles were often above the springs, which gave very low clearance to the trailer. I lowered the axle on my 57 Shasta, and it rides 3 1/2" to 4" higher. Much better.
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Dec 26, 2021 5:33:52 GMT -8
Post by ruderunner on Dec 26, 2021 5:33:52 GMT -8
As for finding rubber bushings, go to a spring shop not a parts store. Parts stores cover vehicle specific bushings, spring shops deal with more standardized stuff and go by dimensions vs applications.
I prefer rubber vs metal bushings.
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Jan 7, 2022 16:39:06 GMT -8
Post by cozwurth on Jan 7, 2022 16:39:06 GMT -8
Something I learned from another site that Vikx is on is to completely rework the spring pack. Not just clean up the outside, but take it apart and clean each individual leaf, bevel the ends where they ride on the adjacent spring, paint them, and grease them a little when you put it back together. I did that on my Rancho, and it made a WORLD of difference in the ride. Nice and smooth now.
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Post by ruderunner on Jan 8, 2022 6:22:00 GMT -8
Funny thing about leaf springs vs coils or torsion, the inter leaf friction creates a bit of a self dampening effect. Therefore shocks are less critical for leaf springs vs others.
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Post by Teachndad on Jan 8, 2022 8:59:26 GMT -8
Something I learned from another site that Vikx is on is to completely rework the spring pack. Not just clean up the outside, but take it apart and clean each individual leaf, bevel the ends where they ride on the adjacent spring, paint them, and grease them a little when you put it back together. I did that on my Rancho, and it made a WORLD of difference in the ride. Nice and smooth now. Hi Friends, Cozworth and I reworked our spring sets based using the spring pack rebuild tutorial included on this webpage. Fun fact, back when we could go into school on weekends, I finished my spring pack project within my classroom because it was the only place I could find the workspace. Cheers, Rod
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