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Post by SusieQ on Jan 14, 2014 11:30:43 GMT -8
Exactly what leaks? My window frame and wood framing was snug as a bug in a rug. The panel under it was totally rotted from the inside under each end of the window. Does the seal around the glass leak? Do I need to take it to a glass shop and have it resealed?
I do have other water marks and am pretty sure a top seam leaked and the water ran down to the back corner, but the window is a little puzzling.
On a happy note, I have a new back panel cut, shellacked and waiting to be put in its place.
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 14, 2014 11:42:23 GMT -8
What kind of window is it?
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 14, 2014 12:16:56 GMT -8
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Post by pathfinder3081 on Jan 14, 2014 12:36:40 GMT -8
WHAT EVER YOU DO DON'T PUT ON ANY SILICONE!! (sorry I can't load your pic at my work computer) To much fun! Two years ago I went through the same deal with our Loflyte.. mind you, our window is wider and perhaps a little taller. I think it is anyway.. Have you got the little puddles in the left or right corner of your window sill? The loflyte had a different sill, it's was the green paneling and it had gotten wet and curled.. yata yata. I pulled the window.. did the lake test on it and over 7 or 8 hours it did indeed leak out about 4oz or so. I took it to a glass man.. (he works for Airstream) He checked it out, and when I told him of the leak he was in agreement that it would be hard pressed for a rainfall to leak that much, into the window, installed at a 75 degree pitch, the glass having a pitched frame at the bottom of the frame as well. Unless of course you are in a monsoon. He said, why don’t' you just put a bead of silicone on it?
I did some more digging and asking questions on the old site. Ross did a demo for me on how to pull that "Pitched" piece of aluminum off.. This is the one that surrounds the exterior face of the window.. “frame to glass”. Lots of people know the talk on these, but few know the walk. It's tricky..This is the way you would have to replace it if it was broken. Which Ross said is alot easier. When you pull that metal off, there you can see the small bead or seal around the glasses' perimeter. That is where I think that mine was leaking too. In the process of the demo which he (Ross) takes a flat putty knife and pulls and push, pulls and pitch.. CRACK! There an 18"x 5'-0 back window gone!. It can create spider cracks from the stress.. It might be better just to bust it out and put in a new one in the process. I clean this line (seam.. whatever) with a wire bursh, washed her down to squeaky clean and the place a small bead along this joint. I re-installed our back window with some fresh Putty tape, clean and polished and it's not leaks in two years.. Was it the Fresh Putty Tape or the small bead of silicone? I don't know. If it does leak again, I'll repeat the operation.. let me know if you need that link for Ross's pic demo.. it a good one. see it you can look at this link? Good Luck
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 14, 2014 13:07:33 GMT -8
Thanks so much, Pathfinder. All my windows are out of my trailer now, well so is the whole back end, but it makes no sense to replace the panel and put the window back in if the glass is leaking. I picked the window up to move it yesterday and it just felt like it had a little play in it. And I was just revisiting that thought and how the whole leaking on the inside doesn't make sense.
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 14, 2014 13:08:24 GMT -8
That looks like a solid window with metal glazing. In other words 4 metal strips that overlap each other in a clockwise direction around the window edges. Getting the first one out without damaging it is a pain. Better off to just break the glass and be done with it. That way you save the metal glazing. There is a black rubber stickyback sealing piece about 1/2 wide by about 1/16 inch thick that goes all the way around the metal that the glass sits against. This should be replaced and is available at VTS if Im not mistaking. Then new glass, then put the metal glazing strips back in to hold the glass in and new putty tape all the way around. Guess what? I think I have a video on that one LOL... I'll go look and see.
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Post by pathfinder3081 on Jan 14, 2014 13:19:12 GMT -8
Thanks so much, Pathfinder. All my windows are out of my trailer now, well so is the whole back end, but it makes no sense to replace the panel and put the window back in if the glass is leaking. I picked the window up to move it yesterday and it just felt like it had a little play in it. And I was just revisiting that thought and how the whole leaking on the inside doesn't make sense. Well, good chance it's just the Putty tape stuff.. Could be a combination both. Do a lake test, lay it flat and level and fille'er up. If it leaks, as it leaks keep up with the time and where it leaks the most. Sounds like Moble tech in is the know, :)check out his movies.. It look like a real pain, but it's do-able...
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 14, 2014 13:24:02 GMT -8
I will do the test. Thanks. If it needs replacing this is one DIY job I probably won't do! Almost ALL Shasta Compacts have those leak marks so there is some common cause!
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Post by Ten on Jan 14, 2014 13:36:52 GMT -8
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 14, 2014 13:58:04 GMT -8
Read the comments on the product and here's a helpful sounding one:
The tape worked very well, and I would recommend it. Patty asked how to remove the glass without breaking it. I used a hair dryer on the glass to soften the old tape and then worked a sharp utility knife into the softened tape until I was able to work all the way around the glass. It then came out in one piece. Don't use a heat gun. It gets much hotter and would probably break the glass.
Pathfinder, would you please post Ross's video link when you get a chance. I may attempt this eventually. (sigh)
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Post by pathfinder3081 on Jan 14, 2014 14:01:50 GMT -8
Read the comments on the product and here's a helpful sounding one: The tape worked very well, and I would recommend it. Patty asked how to remove the glass without breaking it. I used a hair dryer on the glass to soften the old tape and then worked a sharp utility knife into the softened tape until I was able to work all the way around the glass. It then came out in one piece. Don't use a heat gun. It gets much hotter and would probably break the glass. Pathfinder, would you please post Ross's video link when you get a chance. I may attempt this eventually. (sigh) IT's a photo shoot and some mail he sent me.. try this one plus.google.com/photos/117311562985050168797/albums?banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1#photos/117311562985050168797/albums/5583337709308340241
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 14, 2014 14:29:58 GMT -8
Yes. Thanks, once I logged into Google, it worked! Wow! I don't want to be the one to break the window, but glass isn't that expensive and I have to get a piece for one of my jalousie windows anyway. So why not? I'll test for leaks, order the tape if needed and then let you know how it goes.
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 14, 2014 14:49:15 GMT -8
I can't find that video but then again that video was made before I decided to do a whole trailer on You Tube so who knows? Should do another one though because this does come up a lot. Be very careful and protect yourself. My glass was already broken so I just finished the job by whacking it a few more times. I wore protective eye wear and gloves and covered everything with a blanket first. Keep the eye wear on until all the broken glass including shavings is safely deposited in a trash receptical or vacuumed up. The little pieces know right where to aim.
I'm willing to bet it was the putty tape that dried up and cracked.
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Post by Ten on Jan 14, 2014 15:06:45 GMT -8
If I were pressed to guess...and especially in the older canned hams, I would also think the putty tape was at fault. However, there is all the other seals around the glass within the frame that are equally as old. As long as you want the job done right, the hassle of replacing it all, even if it means another few dollars for a new pane of window glass, is well worth the effort to protect the interior for the next generation of restorers... .
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Post by mobiltec on Jan 14, 2014 17:06:34 GMT -8
If I were pressed to guess...and especially in the older canned hams, I would also think the putty tape was at fault. However, there is all the other seals around the glass within the frame that are equally as old. As long as you want the job done right, the hassle of replacing it all, even if it means another few dollars for a new pane of window glass, is well worth the effort to protect the interior for the next generation of restorers... . Besides it's so much fun to wreck things.
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