OK Folks. You asked for it. Here it is. I tried being nice at first just asking to see what his response was. He got nasty with me as do all people who I end up asking this question to. You can judge me or him if you like. I have tough skin.
The email conversation I had with the seller exactly as it happened.
ME... Just curious. Why did you gut this trailer in the first place?
SELLER... It had leaked multiple places since about 1969 (pictures show nearly 75% new lumber)
ME... Yes but that doesn't explain why you gutted it in the first place.
SELLER... All the paneling was ruined too so all cabinets needed to be removed. What do you not understand?
ME... I don't understand why you removed the paneling from the INSIDE. That is not how they were built. You ruined the structural integrity and now you can't install the wrap paneling which is the ceiling, front and rear walls. That paneling must overlap the top of the walls and you tore it out from the inside. It is installed from the OUTSIDE and THEN the metal skin goes back on. You are supposed to remove all the metal skin first. Then attack the rebuild from the outside. Not the inside. The trailer is completely worthless now and who wants a trailer with no paneling and no cabinets. I feel sorry for the poor sucker who bought the gutted box. And no one in their right mind is going to pay $1000 for a bunch of useless cabinets except maybe the person who bought the box. People like you are ruining perfectly good vintage trailers by gutting them and then telling the unknowing public "All the hard work is done. Now you can make it your own". It would have been a good idea for you to educate yourself before you destroyed this trailer.
SELLER... I'm sorry to inform you but you are totally clueless. You have absolutely no idea how I did this work. I DID remove the aluminum from outside first but you just can't resist jumping to your own conclusions and being some kind expert on the matter. You need to find more to do that is for sure!!!
I used the word "gutted" because that is what most people would understand. I explained the process entirely to the first person who came to look (and purchased it for full price I might add). I will challenge you to compare the work I do on ANY restoration projects. It will make your work look like trash.
I can tell you have NO clue what you are talking about because these trailers had compromised structural integrity issues when they left the factory and you seem convinced that they are a fortress? Wow! I made this far stronger than original but who am I to compare to your apparent wealth of expertise!! Pardon me!
ME... Um no.... I actually teach restoring vintage trailers for a living. I was taught by factory employees. And I see the photo of the gutted trailer with no paneling inside. So if you DID remove the metal skin to replace framing from the outside like you should, you forgot to put the paneling on before replacing the metal skin. You can't install the paneling properly from the inside. That is where half of the structural integrity comes from. The other half comes from the cabinets. You see, in houses, the walls hold up the cabinets. In trailers, the cabinets hold up the walls. You are the one who has no idea what he is talking about and I'm not going to go any further into arguing with you because I've been doing that (arguing with people} for over 30 years now.
It's all a moot point now. The damage has been done. You have sold this gutted trailer to some poor unsuspecting person who will find out later that it's just fire wood and aluminum scrap. Again. If I were you I would try to educate myself. You might want to go on to a few Vintage Trailer Forums to do that.
Nice talking with you,
SELLER... That explains a lot. You have been doing this for 30 years and have not spent a minute on more modern engineering techniques. Just think about your statements: "You can't install new paneling from inside" and "cabinets hold up the walls". That tells me you are not open to any new ideas. Good for you and enjoy using your techniques from 30 years ago!
ME... No... You don't read very well. I have been arguing with people like you for 30 years. I have been building trailers for 40 years. I don't wish to continue this argument with you. But you have answered my question and I thank you for that.
And that's the last I heard from him. The sale has since expired although it may be up again somewhere or maybe he changed it because these posts don't expire this soon on their own.
Last Edit: Jul 22, 2021 12:44:57 GMT -8 by mobiltec
God grant me the strength to restore the trailers I can, The courage to strip the parts off the ones I can't, And the wisdom to know the difference...
Post by wisconsinjoe on Aug 14, 2021 5:39:49 GMT -8
As maddening as it is, I sort of have some empathy for the "already gutted" folks. I'm a pretty experienced builder of homes and I have to say it is not obvious that these trailers are built from the inside out. It took me longer than I want to admit to figure out how it was done and how it should be repaired. The simple key is the gimp. I stared at that stuff, wondering how it was made and installed. There was definitely an "Ohhhhh..." moment when I figured it out. Fortunately, I did some research online and stumbled upon this forum and all of you great mentors.