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Post by Getnold on Sept 3, 2020 4:47:37 GMT -8
Hello All. With the end in sight on the reno of our Westerner and as we get ready to take her on a x-country trip in about 3 weeks, I have questions about heat. I have a Wave 3 for her but when we get to high country in the Rockies in mid October the nights could see temps as low as 25 degrees or so. Of course snow is possible anytime as well. I used 3/4 inch foam board on walls and flat surfaces, two layers of Reflectix on the roof, and nothing under the floor. I know none of you have a crystal ball, but how comfy should it stay inside the trailer? Keeping in mind the need for venting while we heat, should I come prepared with Reflectix covers for the windows? I imagine wind will make a big difference. Maybe bring a skirt? Any advice on cold weather camping in a tin can would be appreciated. PS: I am bringing my REI 0 degree rated down bags jic.
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Post by 57 Trotwood on Sept 3, 2020 5:26:50 GMT -8
You sound like a Boy Scout with a drivers license. Good luck to you on your travels. I am still a year out on finishing my ham so I will look back for suggestions.
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Post by Getnold on Sept 3, 2020 5:46:02 GMT -8
You sound like a Boy Scout with a drivers license. Good luck to you on your travels. I am still a year out on finishing my ham so I will look back for suggestions. Or maybe a Girl Scout! Haha!
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Post by Hamlet on Sept 3, 2020 7:15:25 GMT -8
I spent two and a half years, four nights a week, living in Hamlet (ham style 10 foot Shasta Compact) while I commuted from Tacoma to Portland. For the Pacific NW, Portland can get quite warm in the summer and quite chilly in the winter. Both winters I was there, the thermometer dropped below we degrees for several days at a time. Several days were below 15. We also have 3/4” foam insulation and nothing under the floor. I used the smallest electric space heater we could find. That kept it above freezing at least. Our down comforter plus a knit hat kept me warm for sleeping. If you haven’t perfected the fine art of getting dressed inside a sleeping bag, you might want to give it a dry run. The other thing that helped on chilly evenings was having a couple coworkers over for dinner and a game of cards. It’s amazing how quickly and effectively four adult bodices can warm up 60 square feet! If you use a gas lamp, that’ll also help while you’re awake.
With Hamlet getting some maintenance and repairs, we are a little envious of anyone who can hit the road. Have a wonderful, safe trip!
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Post by vikx on Sept 3, 2020 10:00:19 GMT -8
I would look into spray foam (professionally applied) for the floor. I think no insulation on the floor is going to be a problem. Of course you don't want foam all over the axle, etc.
Another thought is a heavy rug or maybe two lighter weight rugs during the cold months.
The little Wave 3 will keep things warm but the windows will sweat like crazy the colder it gets. You have to have a window or vent open for ventilation as well. If you will be camped with power, a SMALL electrical heater will work well. Remember, heaters draw as much as 13 amps so keep your supply cord short and heavy duty.
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Post by shastatom on Sept 3, 2020 12:59:16 GMT -8
The coldest I have camped is 30 degrees and the space heater did fine but the real issue was the wall by my feet. What I learned from that was,
-Sleep with socks on -Take an electric throw blanket and turn on along the wall and it keeps the wall and bottom of the bed warm.
The only other issue is were your water or grey water is being stored and will it freeze and cause issues.
Good luck.
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Post by kathleenc on Sept 3, 2020 13:07:04 GMT -8
I'd like to hear more about those bodices Hamlet refers to...
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Post by nccamper on Sept 3, 2020 15:18:18 GMT -8
I found the wave3 worked well down to 30 degrees if it’s on for a couple of hours. If the camper is below freezing it takes time for the wave3 to catch up. As VIkx said, on the grid a small $25 electric space heater works really well. Off the grid in below freezing temperatures we use the Little buddy heater. It has 9000btu verses 3000btus for the wave3. But it goes through gas fast.
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Post by Teachndad on Sept 5, 2020 4:15:12 GMT -8
Hi Kerry, We will live vicariously through your expedition. Thank you I am glad you guys are traveling. The Little Buddy heater has issues above 7,000 feet. A quick search found threads at various forums discussing this issue. You mentioned a skirt. I know nothing of skirts other than the ones I used to chase a long time ago . The skirt might disallow the loss of heat from the inside of the trailer, but I woould be concerned that it may also trap the moisture underneath the trailer. Even if you coated the underside of your Westerner with a coating like Black Beauty, I feel that the skirt traps the moisture around the axle and frame. Pulling up to a camping spot after it rained and then skirting the trailer would worry me, but that's me. As far as covering the windows with Reflectix, check out the pop up tent trailer forums. They talk about that. Make sure you have a working CO2 alarm. Cheers, Rod
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Post by sawset on Sept 6, 2020 18:24:07 GMT -8
We currently use a popup. For spring fall: Wave 6 Small 12v desktop fan Reflectix cut to fit all windows At night: Point the wave heater (radiant heat)to where we sleep, and use the fan to keep cool air from pooling around the perimeter of the sleeping area. The heater ends up on low even when the outside is 15deg or above. (wave6 on low = wave3 on high). The limiter then ends up being condensation. The floor is uninsulated. Daytime: Wave6 on high to keep temp near 70f, outside temps 15-25f. The reflectix over the windows is a very noticable improvement, to the point of warming the place very comfortably - or not. Thought I would give my 2cents, and listening intently while we work on its replacement. 4 people at the table will produce 4-600watts Hoping our wave6 is not too large for our 15ft mobile scout. The way it sounds it may be, hmm, or maybe not. Fall is a glorious time to be outside.
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Post by vikx on Sept 6, 2020 19:02:33 GMT -8
I lived with a Wave 6 for five years and it was great. I think it might cook a person in a regular trailer but you can keep it on low. I'm guessing the popup breathes better than a metal clad trailer? The 3 is too much for me in cool weather; I'm sure it would be nice in the cold. Needless to say, I don't do cold.
Also, the Wave 6 would drive up the CO detector on high. If left on low, it was fine but it slowly started climbing on high. 12 x 36 apartment with two windows. I had a vent into the shop at the recommended size but it wasn't quite enough.
The Buddy heater used a whole little bottle of propane in about 5 hours, they are VERY greedy on gas.
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Post by Getnold on Sept 6, 2020 19:25:19 GMT -8
You mentioned a skirt. I know nothing of skirts other than the ones I used to chase a long time ago . The skirt might disallow the loss of heat from the inside of the trailer, but I woould be concerned that it may also trap the moisture underneath the trailer. Even if you coated the underside of your Westerner with a coating like Black Beauty, I feel that the skirt traps the moisture around the axle and frame. Pulling up to a camping spot after it rained and then skirting the trailer would worry me, but that's me. Thanks Rod! This is a photo of a skirt. RVers and van-lifers use them but I am not going to do one on my camper. I will cover our windows and floor, and make sure we're air tight 'cept for the Fantastic Fan and the AC vent to reduce condensation. 16-SHA-001-3A8A06561 by
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Post by Getnold on Sept 6, 2020 19:31:04 GMT -8
I lived with a Wave 6 for five years and it was great. I think it might cook a person in a regular trailer but you can keep it on low. I'm guessing the popup breathes better than a metal clad trailer? The 3 is too much for me in cool weather; I'm sure it would be nice in the cold. Needless to say, I don't do cold. Also, the Wave 6 would drive up the CO detector on high. If left on low, it was fine but it slowly started climbing on high. 12 x 36 apartment with two windows. I had a vent into the shop at the recommended size but it wasn't quite enough. The Buddy heater used a whole little bottle of propane in about 5 hours, they are VERY greedy on gas. Thanks Vik. I have a Wave 3. Seems the 6 would be overkill in this little trailer. Between that, the window insulation, insulation for the floor and bed (more on that later), down sleeping bags, two dogs (yes, we will really need to consider condensation), and sealing any gaps around windows and doors as best we can, I think we will be ok. We will see how the plan goes and report back.
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