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Post by sawset on Aug 4, 2020 5:06:31 GMT -8
Introduction and a question. I’ve been learning a lot here, looking up and getting answers to many many questions. Thanks all for the extensive information source. We recently acquired a 1958 Mobile Scout. It was gutted, and with sheet metal changes and damage. The result was for everything to be stripped and rebuilt. Frame has been cleaned and painted, walls fabbed new, floor plan taken from the original markings on the floor, and internal furnishings mocked up and ready to be remade. I’m currently going through the windows, cleaning and investigating for new seals etc. However, they don’t appear to be Hehr windows. I can find no model number markings at all. Could someone take a look, and maybe have some incite? The grooves that would receive seals are all shaped /__\ if that may help. The windows all look original. The jalousie side seals appear to be a type of rubber, not the wool felt type. When I figure out the photo situation, I'll get those attached. www.flickr.com/gp/189563641@N05/2K9k1Zwww.flickr.com/gp/189563641@N05/685D3Gwww.flickr.com/gp/189563641@N05/SrZ1uUwww.flickr.com/gp/189563641@N05/93vBfjwww.flickr.com/gp/189563641@N05/2YNMS9www.flickr.com/gp/189563641@N05/Phi91fwww.flickr.com/photos/189563641@N05/shares/8106fF
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Post by PT on Aug 4, 2020 11:19:00 GMT -8
Cool project - looks like you're doing great work. They may not be Hehr but they are very similar. Are the side channels exactly the same as the top and bottom? On the Hehr's the side channels are very shallow and sharp T shapes where a fiber/plastic strip slides in and it holds the felt outside the channel. The top and bottom are fat T shapes kinda like your /_\ ... Maybe the felt wore off yours over the years and just left the strip? If this guy does not have what you need it probably does not exist. Very helpful and will send samples and give advice - he answers the phone too. www.vintagetrailergaskets.com/
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Post by vikx on Aug 4, 2020 11:32:00 GMT -8
Be careful to measure very exactly when buying seals. All jalousies are not the same...
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Post by sawset on Aug 5, 2020 4:01:04 GMT -8
I'll make sure and measure closely. Dial caliper will help. Cross my fingers with vintage trailer supply or trailer gaskets. I think it's surprising the amount of information on Hehr and possibly Parlyn (airstream) windows, but really not much else. I did find a name "Superior, Ft.Worth" on one of the handles for the 2pane awning windows. Mobile Scout was made in Arlington Tx, and Fort Worth is right there too, so who knows who was in with who for supplies.
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Post by Teachndad on Aug 5, 2020 6:17:20 GMT -8
Nice Save! and Welcome That's going to look really nice when you are done. Your workmanship on your walls is excellent. I am sure your skills will transfer over to other parts of the trailer. Thanks for sharing. I was looking at your wall picture www.flickr.com/photos/189563641@N05/50187735583/. Those walls are stout, holy moly. Were the walls that wide to begin with? When you rebuilt your walls, did you use the originals as a template and measure off of them? On the windows, most of the windows out there are Hehr's but there are a few that are different. When you contact Robert at VTG, he will tell you that a huge percent of the windows out there are Hehr and then there are about 10 - 15 percent that are not. You might have the windows that fall into that category. I have some on my Rod and Reel that are not Hehr and guess what, the seals are really hard to match. Robert sent me a full sample set to try to see what might work. I like the ridge pattern along your window frames. Good luck in finding something that will work. Cheers, Rod
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Post by sawset on Aug 5, 2020 7:26:44 GMT -8
Were the walls that wide to begin with? When you rebuilt your walls, did you use the originals as a template and measure off of them? The thicker walls were a result of a couple things. The originals were 3 /4 thick. The original tires were 165-R15. I measured the wheel wells, and figured the width of different tires, and determined that 205-R15 would fit fine. 165 = 6.5”wide, 205 = 7.75”wide. Drove 2hrs back up to put the new tires on, put braces in, reinforce some areas and bring it home. First thing, the tires wouldn’t go on – not enough clearance not with the wheel well, but between the axle bearing cap and the siding trim. Dang. What to do. Luckily I was to be replacing the siding, so made room and put them on. The build thinking went: How can I fit these tires. If I’m out on the road with a flat, 205s would be easy to source, 165s not so much. Most of the walls were 1x4 boards. I built directly over them as a pattern. Existing wall members, 3/ 4 x 3.5 = 3sqin New wall members, 1.625 x 1.5 = 2.43sqin = net loss I could buy 2x12 clear doug fir lumber and rip it to 1.625” strips for a straight, strong, stable, medium weight framework. The ends are 1/ 2 ply ACX sand witch (.453 x 2 with center 3/4 x 1 sticks to make a hollow core, 1.625 overall). Overall weight grew a little over 3/ 4 boards= net gain. The wheels 205-R15 now fit since I left the wheel well areas at 3/ 4. I could now put 1.5foam insulation sheeting in the walls. SC heat and Wisconsin cold spring and fall come to mind. The jalousie windows will fit up to a 1.875 wall. The thinner windows will be recessed some.
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Post by sawset on Aug 5, 2020 16:37:35 GMT -8
On the windows, most of the windows out there are Hehr's but there are a few that are different. When you contact Robert at VTG, he will tell you that a huge percent of the windows out there are Hehr and then there are about 10 - 15 percent that are not. You might have the windows that fall into that category. I have some on my Rod and Reel that are not Hehr and guess what, the seals are really hard to match. Robert sent me a full sample set to try to see what might work. How did the samples work out?
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Post by Teachndad on Aug 8, 2020 7:33:22 GMT -8
Unfortunately, I have way too many irons in the fire. I never was able to figure out which seal would work the best. It needs to be revisited. Covid happened and rallies got closed down and so that trailer now sits with tarp on it all the time while I try to inch forward on my Westerner. I will get back to the seals, but since it's tarped and unused, I don't need the seals replaced. I wish I could give you a better answer.
Rod
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Post by sawset on Aug 8, 2020 10:57:02 GMT -8
Thanks for the feedback. I measured and drew up what I needed and sent a copy to VTGaskets. Robert said no matches, but will also send a set of samples. We'll wait and see. And in the end maybe need to get a little creative. Lots of vintage equipment out there with similar obsolete fittings. Maybe I can just run a bead of silicone and call it good (just kidding). Between now and next spring lots to do, so I'll clean them up, set them aside and move on to things where progress can be made. I read through the posts here on windows, and what other troubles in paradise there may be. On to the next.
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Post by Teachndad on Aug 8, 2020 13:22:38 GMT -8
What about trimming the common Hehr side seal that has the tiny hairs sticking up with a pair of scissors by trimming it narrower? As described by PT, it slides in with hairs that stick up. Maybe Robert can send you a foot of so to try. It's worth trying to ask. He might just send it for free.
Just an idea.
Rod
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Post by vikx on Aug 8, 2020 20:24:04 GMT -8
Some of my jalousies didn't have the hairy seal and some did. There are different types of top and bottom seals as well...
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Post by sawset on Aug 16, 2020 17:36:12 GMT -8
I put a few things on a scale tonight, just out of curiosity: All window glass 51lb Iron (trailer and axle) 450lb Wheels and tires (2) 82lb Floor (2 layers 1/2ply) 145 Walls 164 (1-5/8, with hollow core ends) The old walls weighed 61lb ea The new walls weigh 83lb ea Waiting on window seal samples from VTgaskets. Updated photos: www.flickr.com/gp/189563641@N05/7oe9QL(edit: updated link) A couple things. Since one of the double pane windows towards the back was missing, I was able to salvage a 2600 jalousie hehr as replacement from an old 60's Nomad. And rearrange somewhat to have two double panes either end of the bed, one jalousie in the back. Taking a look at the angle of the back window angle though, and the drainage angle of the hehr bottom rail threw a red flag. At what angle do jalousie windows not function well. In this case the window sill would be tilted 10deg in reverse draining to the onside - no go. We can rearrange windows, but just an observation and correction needed. Busy mocking up a full size model, to get cabinet sizing down. And to find out stuff like the window drainage issue ahead of time.
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Post by vikx on Aug 16, 2020 19:42:37 GMT -8
Picture didn't show for me but I wouldn't put a jalousie in the back. They are not particularly water tight. the slant is going to cause trouble. I don't know the exact angle, just know they can leak.
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Post by sawset on May 20, 2021 3:20:20 GMT -8
My attempt at wheel wells. 26ga hand formed and seamed, gutter seal, 1/8 alum sheet to cover, with 3/4 alum C-channel. Butyl tape to seal the channel: 0508211612 by johnchr777, on Flickr 0508211400 by johnchr777, on Flickr 0508211400a by johnchr777, on Flickr Laying out 9x9 tile with a checkered pattern. Cut to size on the table saw with a tight fitting blade gaurd. I needed to touch up the edges slightly with a rough file to remove any nibs. It pays to lay it all out before setting them. It seemed leave a cleaner edge on the down side, so cut with the good side down: 0519212047 by johnchr777, on Flickr Armstrong® Flooring Standard Excelon Multicolor Vendor Part #: FP52514031 Size: 12" x 12" Color: Jubilee White Vendor Part #: FP51814031 Size: 12" x 12" Color: Pomegranate Red Vendor Part #: FP51947031 Size: 12" x 12" Color: Basil Green
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Post by nccamper on May 20, 2021 4:06:38 GMT -8
Nice wheel wells!
You have thick walls on the Mobile Scout. Similar to my Forester.
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