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Post by shastatom on Jun 30, 2020 19:01:33 GMT -8
As promised I said I would document my attempt at installing a window ac in my shasta. First I had to leave a spot open in the wall by the floor to deal with this. Second I had to find an AC unit that would fit in that area and have a remote since I dont want to get on my hands and knees every time I want to adjust the unit. Third I had to decide how I wanted to implement the install - Do I make it fixed install and have a screen on the outside -- If I do that then how do I get fresh air in ----- well I planned to build a plinth around the ac unit and cut a couple holes in the floor to draw air from under the camper, kind of like a roof vent but a floor vent OR - Do I do a install that I slide the AC unit in and out and when I travel I just slide it back in and close the hatch --I decided to go this route - ----of course I bought everything to do it the other way but over the winter I changed my mind. So how to get the AC slid in and out 1. Build a platform for the AC unit to sit on and attach door slides to it. See pictures below 20200630_172729 by Tom Ress, on Flickr I got to use my new dado blade to cut a grove in the sides, I then glued and nailed the plywood and side rails In the picture below you can see the blocking I installed to keep the unit from moving front to back, I will also do some type of strap to keep it attached. 20200630_192324 by Tom Ress, on Flickr You also see in this picture I started to cut away some wall from the inside. I was pretty sure I had left this area open with no wires for this purpose but wanted to cut a small section out first to make sure I didn't have wires behind. I then marked out the area I was going to cut out, I started a bit small and will have to increase it by an 1 inch or so on the sides and top. I want to mark from the inside the corners so I can cut the aluminum right. 20200630_184305 by Tom Ress, on Flickr Here I started cutting out the wall, I think I will need to peel the aluminum out to fix supports in the wall. I will know more once I cut the hole in the aluminum. 20200630_191827 by Tom Ress, on Flickr You can see the cut out in the second picture but the picture below shows the AC unit in the space on the slide out tray. 20200630_193115 by Tom Ress, on Flickr At this point I can still back out and do something else but in the next couple of days I will be committed once I cut the aluminum. I will post more as I proceed.
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Post by vikx on Jun 30, 2020 20:43:29 GMT -8
Thanks Tom, I knew this would be interesting...
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Post by oakback on Jul 1, 2020 5:29:35 GMT -8
Nice! We did something similar, but I'm still trying to figure out the best way to seal around the a/c when it's pushed out and in use. I'm curious to see how you solve this problem.
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Post by shastatom on Jul 4, 2020 17:27:55 GMT -8
I went for it today, I cut a hole in the skin of the camper. 20200704_100836 by Tom Ress, on Flickr I then made a tool to cut the foam out behind the tin. I then filled in with boards and wrapped the opening with aluminum. 20200704_114504 by Tom Ress, on Flickr I made a door to fit in the opening. 20200704_190234 by Tom Ress, on Flickr Attached the hing and mounted the door. I forgot one thing. I don't have big enough locks so I need to get some ordered. 20200704_194823 by Tom Ress, on Flickr Tomorrow I plan to finish mounting the ac unit inside on the slides. I need to build some new boards to attach to slides too. Then I need to fill in the gaps and try and stop of the air lose. One thing at a time.
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Post by vikx on Jul 4, 2020 19:22:26 GMT -8
I think the slide idea is going to work really well.
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Post by shastatom on Jul 5, 2020 7:12:49 GMT -8
Doing a test run of the ac unit and it got the camper from 94 to 84 in about 10 minutes now let's see how long to get it to 74 degrees.
I think I found a place to hide and nap
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Post by shastatom on Jul 5, 2020 8:15:33 GMT -8
Getting the next 10 degrees takes a long time. It needs to cool off the wood, bed and every thing else in here that was 90+ degrees. I took my kml laser thermostat out with me and the floor is 65 and the ceiling is 85. The wardrobe wall ranges from 67 to 79 bottom to top.
This really shows how radiant heat works.
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Post by shastatom on Jul 7, 2020 4:55:30 GMT -8
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Post by shastatom on Jul 7, 2020 17:27:55 GMT -8
Today I turned the slide over and painted it as well as worked on the cabinet door. I put a grill in it to let air out and then I can keep the door closed. 20200707_185045 by Tom Ress, on Flickr
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Post by vikx on Jul 7, 2020 20:02:33 GMT -8
Looks good Tom.
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Post by shastatom on Jul 8, 2020 19:18:23 GMT -8
Today I think I finally got most of the install of the AC done. I reinstalled the slide out tray Put the AC unit in place Cut some pink foam inserts for the gaps on either side, the AC came with a spongy foam with tape on it so I also cut some of that out bigger then the pink foam and stuck it to the pink foam. Why I wanted the spongy stuff as well is it filled in the gaps better. So when I want to use the AC unit, here the steps: Open the outside door Pull the slide out Insert the 2 side foam pieces Go inside and turn it on Today I tested it again, it was 96 degrees in the camper and the humidity was really bad, it was also being hit by the sun. I have a thermometer in the inside window and it was in direct sunlight and it said 135 degrees. It took about 1.5 hours to go from 96 to 78 degrees. I can live with that. I still have a few items to finish up like inserting the lock and a latch to hold the door open but waiting for those parts but in the mean time I can use it as is. I will be taking this trailer in a couple weeks camping and we will see how it does in real life vs running in the driveway. 20200708_192943 by Tom Ress, on Flickr 20200708_193015 by Tom Ress, on Flickr
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Post by danrhodes on Jul 8, 2020 22:02:06 GMT -8
I was listening to a home improvement podcast and they discussed how a whole house fan into the attic reduces the thermal load of the entire house overnight, making the AC work less the next day. I wonder if you had your vent fan running during the AC test if it would have been more efficient?
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Post by shastatom on Jul 9, 2020 3:59:45 GMT -8
I did have the vent fan going, with the lid open, then cracked open and then closed and then the fan in reverse. I know it plays a part just not sure when to close the vent vs leaving it open all the way vs cracked open.
My goal at first with the vent was to at least get the inside to the temp of the outside then I turned the ac on. Inside temp was around 100+.
The thing to keep in mind at some point is to keep the dryer colder air inside the camper and keep the hot humid air out.
The other thing that plays a part in all of this is radiant heat. You have to get all the wood, cabinets, flooring, bed, and other inside stuff to the same temp otherwise you will continue to have a heat source. I almost forgot, then you put a couple of 98 degree bodies in a 12x6 foot space and they produce heat as well.
You are right if you can use the cool night time air to pull the radiant heat out the building it will make it much easier to cool and keep it cool.
I think another issue is the ac unit is pushed back in a whole so it is harder to get the warmer return air. I did have a fan running on the floor also blowing the cold air around the camper.
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Post by shastatom on Jul 27, 2020 9:54:55 GMT -8
I took my maiden voyage this weekend with the new AC.
It cools the camper down and if we didn't go into the camper and the sun went down the camper would get down to 71 degrees.
By morning the camper would be about 78 which shows how much heat 2 people create.
Things that need to be resolved,
-used a fan to move air from in front of ac unit -Better airflow out of the top cold air vents. -Bottom air pull in from inside is getting to much of the cold air from above -work with the maxfan lid closed to either push down the hot air (will go in reverse so it can do a direct down or a pull up)(Tried both ways) -crack the maxfan hood and exhaust the hot air at the top of the camper (tried this)but maybe since I got the advanced one and it will open and close the lid when it gets to cold maybe play with that more -the screen I used is to fine and causes the airflow to be reduced to much -maybe I should have made the ac unit more stationary and put a vented door on the outside and pulled air from under the camper.
Things I will try: - make a divider so I get the cold air out better from the cold vents and have it not drop right back into the return air - get a more open vent screen so I can close the door - play with the max fan auto close feature.
Overall the ac unit was a life saver for a hot muggy weekend. I would do this again.
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Post by Teachndad on Jul 27, 2020 22:06:16 GMT -8
Things that need to be resolved, -used a fan to move air from in front of ac unit -Better airflow out of the top cold air vents. -Bottom air pull in from inside is getting to much of the cold air from above -work with the maxfan lid closed to either push down the hot air (will go in reverse so it can do a direct down or a pull up)(Tried both ways) -crack the maxfan hood and exhaust the hot air at the top of the camper (tried this)but maybe since I got the advanced one and it will open and close the lid when it gets to cold maybe play with that more -the screen I used is to fine and causes the airflow to be reduced to much -maybe I should have made the ac unit more stationary and put a vented door on the outside and pulled air from under the camper. Hey Tom, Is that all? I like watching you work this out - kind of like a puzzle. I think some of the fun on these restorations is the problem solving that takes place in order to complete a project. Keep it up. Rod
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